getting 90%+ from one step

[Pats300zx]

This thread is unreal. One guy posts his findings about a product and what his results are and people end up acting like a bunch of kids in a school yard... :nixweiss



Maybe people should take a step back and try the product in the method the OP discussed and "then" report their findings.

 

[autoconcierge]

Hopefully my last comment on this subject there were some here and other places which tried to call out Kevin.B when he shared his findings on his applications with 105 and a PC, and then you have Brian.B sticking his neck out to help others with the tweeking of KBM(but to date no one has bashed Brian that I know of) and then there will be jealousy towards those same guys because they came up with a better way of doing things(in reality who cares, if it works it works).



Most of us here know "who's who in the zoo" when it comes to detail and correction, and even though on the forums some of these guys will snip away and make comments they will copy those techniques while at the same time call you out on percieved missteps(which of course do not exist).

 

[Rob Tomlin]

This thread is unreal. One guy posts his findings about a product and what his results are and people end up acting like a bunch of kids in a school yard... :nixweiss



Maybe people should take a step back and try the product in the method the OP discussed and "then" report their findings.

Yep. My one post in this thread was directly on point. I was getting ready to "unsubscribe" from this thread, but hopefully your post will help bring things back on topic.

 

[Pats300zx]

ost of us here know "who's who in the zoo" when it comes to detail and correction, and even though on the forums some of these guys will snip away and make comments they will copy those techniques while at the same time call you out on percieved missteps(which of course do not exist).

That's the problem Bob. You have these elite groups who feel that their methods and products are the only methods to be used in detailing. I have noticed that this forum has become so "ego based" as of late. In the old days it was all about helping one another and passing along info. Now it's all about chest pumping and "my polisher is bigger than yours".



The bottom line is if you don't like the methods or products someone is talking about nobody is forcing you to use them. Try them out for yourself and see what works for you.

 

[Bullitt]

That's the problem Bob. You have these elite groups who feel that their methods and products are the only methods to be used in detailing. I have noticed that this forum has become so "ego based" as of late. In the old days it was all about helping one another and passing along info. Now it's all about chest pumping and "my polisher is bigger than yours".



The bottom line is if you don't like the methods or products someone is talking about nobody is forcing you to use them. Try them out for yourself and see what works for you.

Completely Agree. Leave the Ego's at the door and either try to help out others or show your findings.

As for the OP's findings, that's great. Haven't one stepped a car in a while, but I can see how the SIP would get you those results. I recently started using more Menzerna products because I've heard so many great things about them. Growing up I was always around the Autosports shops(I think all of my Father's friends had them) and I learned on a DeWalt style rotary and used 3M products. Much has changed since then, the Internet being one of them. So far I like the SIP, but I'm not using it in the same manner. It was my second step after the 105, but I can see how you can get LSP results with the right pad. Currently I have one panel with just 105 and SIP on it and the other with the aforementioned products, 205 and UF and the average person wouldn't know the difference, then again it is metallic silver, not black. Usually, I would use 83 where I used SIP. I was impressed with the cleanliness of the SIP(Dust wasn't all over the rest of the car) and the amount of working time I had with it even via rotary. I have the rest of the Menzerna polishes on the way via UPS. Whatever gets you the results your after should be what matters in the end, and if you can get there faster, with the same perfection, then that's even better. If you are a pro, then you know what works for you, and the info. you get on forums can be tested and applied to what you already know, thus helping you out. That's what I get from the forums, more info. to play with and products that I might not have known about were it not for the net which I can replace, supplement, and/or apply to what I already know. One thing to think about is that much of this site is enthusiast based, especially the sections "that aren't in the Pro sections" and people just want help from other people with the passion for detailing; they don't want to be flamed and scared to type another word for fear of being flamed or criticized again. For the Pro's, we already know what works, so no need to criticize other pros, and for the DIY's, they just want help from the Pro's on here. Even I've learned about things I would have never thought about from a newbie with a good idea.

 

[David Fermani]

David, thank you for meeting me halfway on this issue and for what it's worth, I agree with you 100%. When it's MY name and MY business being judged, I hold my work to a higher standard, also .I respect your work and your opinion and bear you no ill-will. I think there was just a hiccup in communication.

The point I was probably doing a poor job of getting across is that there IS a distinction between what I feel is top work and what others (who are paying me) will settle for.

The work I was referring to originally is supplemental income done under the name of the shop owner or dealership and to THEIR standards. I'm careful to keep any affiliation with my own business out of it. They don't care about my personal ethics, they just want a quick turn-around.....and with a new baby boy to feed, my ambition to turn away work or argue with a man who wants to pay me to do work HIS way is greatly lessened.

I THINK we ultimately see things the same way, but circumstances have unfortunately altered my approach to some situations.

Thanks again and no worries. Glad everything is mutually understood once the ins & outs got worked out. What ever degree of detailing we cater our mindset to; one of the most important components to the equation of success is pacifying our client’s needs.

I'd be surprised if you didn't get upset by the issue involved in the discussion….

Nope. Normal occurrences these days with a few members here. I don’t let it bother me too much though. I guess because everyone here is so detail oriented (type A); people like to add their own personal “details” to each discussion. As long as things don’t get too out of hand, I’m all in for viewing or taking part in a healthy debate.

 

[white gecko]

Just got an email with a discount for EZ Creme Glaze. Made me chuckle on the timing.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

I have noticed that this forum has become so "ego based" as of late.

The bottom line is if you don't like the methods or products someone is talking about nobody is forcing you to use them.

if you could come up with a formula for ego maniacs to leave their egos at the door... We could apply it elsewhere and finally we would have peace on earth. :getdown:getdown:getdown:getdown:getdown

 

[Bullitt]

Since we're on the subject of one steps, what one step that most go to? I saw someone mention the Menzerna 203, we've already discussed the SIP to some length before we were side tracked. I don't do many but would like some feedback of what has just done wonders for some on here. I've used the Meguiars PRC(By the way, where would that fall on level of cut), 205 on soft paints have been good to me. Even 105 on a PC with the right pad has produced dramatic LSP ready paint(Well, it looks LSP ready from the naked eye). What's the most popular one step method(without fillers), whether it has a wax/sealant in it or not?

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Since we're on the subject of one steps, what one step that most go to? I saw someone mention the Menzerna 203, we've already discussed the SIP to some length before we were side tracked. I don't do many but would like some feedback of what has just done wonders for some on here. I've used the Meguiars PRC(By the way, where would that fall on level of cut), 205 on soft paints have been good to me. Even 105 on a PC with the right pad has produced dramatic LSP ready paint(Well, it looks LSP ready from the naked eye). What's the most popular one step method(without fillers), whether it has a wax/sealant in it or not?

HD UNO



I am here to help.

 

[salty]

While there are so many variables to a correction one step, it is possible even with PFW and 105 (new pad, sometimes a clean one, can finish down LSR=ready).



My motto is to improve the finish but not leave behind my traces. If I don't get paid to make it 100%, then I make sure it is machine swirl free, even if there are still paint defects.



203 and white LC pad can do a nice job.



EZ creme and OS gives a nice fast shine.

 

[imported_DJ Mayo]

While there are so many variables to a correction one step, it is possible even with PFW and 105 (new pad, sometimes a clean one, can finish down LSR=ready).



My motto is to improve the finish but not leave behind my traces. If I don't get paid to make it 100%, then I make sure it is machine swirl free, even if there are still paint defects.



203 and white LC pad can do a nice job.



EZ creme and OS gives a nice fast shine.

If your going to 1 step? Why even use a wool? Just do 105 with a medium cut foam.

 

[wfedwar]

I really don't think its possible to define a 1-step procedure that works for all paints. On my soft 4runner, Ultrafina on black does a pretty good job of removing swirls and adding gloss. It won't do a thing for my Audi. On the Audi, M105 on orange does a good job.

 

[gmblack3]

Since we're on the subject of one steps, what one step that most go to? I saw someone mention the Menzerna 203, we've already discussed the SIP to some length before we were side tracked. I don't do many but would like some feedback of what has just done wonders for some on here. I've used the Meguiars PRC(By the way, where would that fall on level of cut), 205 on soft paints have been good to me. Even 105 on a PC with the right pad has produced dramatic LSP ready paint(Well, it looks LSP ready from the naked eye). What's the most popular one step method(without fillers), whether it has a wax/sealant in it or not?

Seems like you are pretty much on track.



M105 w orange/white.

M86 w orange/white.

M205 w orange/white.



Now which combo should you use? That is going to depend on the hardness of the clear, severtity of defects, color of paint and what your goals are.



Do you want more gloss or more correction?

 

[Rob Tomlin]

If your going to 1 step? Why even use a wool? Just do 105 with a medium cut foam.

Some people are of the opinion that PFW finishes better than a medium cut foam.

 

[salty]

I did not mean to say that I use PFW for a one step, just that I have seen it finish LSR when using a new pad, not so when the pad is used.



White LC and 203 is a combo to start for a one step.



If the OP is doing dealer cars, and they want shine, most dealers don't care about swirls, just scratches.



Then he could try PS or EZ creme to start, clean the interior and finish off with OS. Nice combo for shine and hides some swirls and doesn't wash off the first time it rains.

 

[imported_DJ Mayo]

I did not mean to say that I use PFW for a one step, just that I have seen it finish LSR when using a new pad, not so when the pad is used.



White LC and 203 is a combo to start for a one step.



If the OP is doing dealer cars, and they want shine, most dealers don't care about swirls, just scratches.



Then he could try PS or EZ creme to start, clean the interior and finish off with OS. Nice combo for shine and hides some swirls and doesn't wash off the first time it rains.

But swirls are still scratches. A car would look better with doing M105 with a white LC pad then applying a wax then doing PFW 105 and doing a wax.



Also for the PFW, the pad finishes down a lot nicer for me once its broken in some. A new pad lints, and leaves several wool marks.

 

[porta]

Since we're on the subject of one steps, what one step that most go to? I saw someone mention the Menzerna 203, we've already discussed the SIP to some length before we were side tracked. I don't do many but would like some feedback of what has just done wonders for some on here. I've used the Meguiars PRC(By the way, where would that fall on level of cut), 205 on soft paints have been good to me. Even 105 on a PC with the right pad has produced dramatic LSP ready paint(Well, it looks LSP ready from the naked eye). What's the most popular one step method(without fillers), whether it has a wax/sealant in it or not?

Menzerna Powerfinish is my main polish on "one steppers". Good cut and finishes off very nice. Have a look at this toyota, who I and a friend polished with Powerfinish http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-...is-swirl-edition-vs-menzerna-powerfinish.html

 

[OCKlasse]

Powerfinish and PFW via a Flex is pretty much my go-to combo for non-black cars.

 

[salty]

But swirls are still scratches. A car would look better with doing M105 with a white LC pad then applying a wax then doing PFW 105 and doing a wax.



Also for the PFW, the pad finishes down a lot nicer for me once its broken in some. A new pad lints, and leaves several wool marks.

But swirl free also equals $ for a dealership. Customer walks around the lot and all the car have the same swirled paint- most don't even see it, but point out the several deep scratches, that might be the deal breaker.



If my dealer contract wants to spend the money to correct the paint. Then usually it is black paint and it will involve 105-203-UF with wet sanding the scratches and paint touchup then wax.



If it is totally beat then I negotiate to do X-Kote.



The comparison between PFW and white LC is way too objective. For me the PFW never cuts and finishes better than when new, lint or not. They are also not the way to expect to do a one step.



Rotary, 203 and white LC would be my one step. But dealer cars usually get PS or EZ creme and for the extra 5 minutes a OS topper. Shines and hides enough and doesn't leave behind detailer damage to be washed off.