Frustrated- Zaino with Black (long)

Black Lightning said:
JP, you can do it by hand if your shoulder is up to it, lol.



Even a orbital buffer with a MF bonnet will work and probably save your arms.



If i was you, i would wash the car with Dawn. Afterwards, pull it into the garage and take out an applicator and soak it in Isopropyl alcohol and rub it onto the paint to strip the zaino. When complete, roll it back out and re-wash it with Dawn. They should effectively strip the Zaino off.



I dont know what condition your paint is in, but perhaps a claying may be in order? Follow up with some swirl remover or even some sort of nice polish. Just be sure to wash the car with Z7 before applying Z1.



My belief is, when youre starting from scratch with Zaino, its good to use the Z1 Lok.. Applying it kind of liberally, about 2oz for the enitire vehicle, eveningly. Wait for it to dry. Buff it off with a MF.



Then go straight to Z5.. Apply only one coat.. wait 24 hrs and do a second, then another 24, then wait a week, then goto zfx.



I hope that helps your situation.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I don't think I need to clay the car. It only has about 5000 miles on it in about 2.5 years and I clayed the car when I bought it and it still smooth as glass. I don't have a pc so right now that is not an option. But if I apply the zaino by hand do you suggest working it in or just apply it by wiping it on and off.



I saw your post where you changed from zaino to a carnauba, do you think I would be better switching to a carnauba? btw, what 1/4 times does your lightning run?
 
I went with Carnuba simply because Zaino wasnt cutting the mustard for that deep look i saw others achieving on this site. Zaino magnified all the flaws two fold, so it was time to get rid of the flaws ( swirls ) and while im at it, go with the deep luster look.



You could rub the Zaino in a bit. It wont hurt and hell, you may achieve the level of shine and luster you like with it. All i know if i would never use Zaino again on a red, blue or black car. Zaino is excellent for light colors and thats all i would ever use it for nowadays.



My best 1/4 ET is 12.54 @ 109 with a 1.79 60ft. Thats with a hard tonneau, hitch, spare, the whole nine yards. Nothing stripped. I think that is respectable for a 5000 lb truck :up
 
I'll add my vote to the "give up" - Zaino isn't worth the effort on black. Carnauba looks SO much better - and you can put it on any time, OVER ANYTHING.



I can't take advantage of Zaino's purported longevity - I am always going after section of the car that happens to bother me that day. Once you've polished out some swirls on your hood, do you REALLY want to put 6 coats of Zaino back on? And its worse if you put carnauba over it to get the look you want - now you can't put more Z on unless you strip the carnauba. Well, how do you do that without stripping the Z? How do you know for sure? In other words - what is the point of all that work? If you haven't seen black paint with Souveran on it, do yourself a favor and try some.



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I started on S100 paste wax on my black car, went to Zaino for a while, and have returned to carnauba once again. Considering how much the car is used and how little it is washed, the inherent benefits of Zaino seemed to have been eliminated (most of them anyway). Carnauba seems like a good idea. Find a good glaze to stick under it as well.
 
I think I will give the carnuba a try. I was getting ready to re-order to some more zaino as I am out of z5,z7, and zfx, so I guess the time to try something different is now. I did a couple searches and it seems like some people go from swirl remover to wax and others use a glaze or sealent before the wax.



Based on what I found in the searches here is what I plan on doing:



1. 3m swirl remover or Meguiars #9 2.0



2. s100 sepc or vanilla moose



3. s100 for now since it is much less expensive than Souveran and change to Souveran later if I like the carnauba better than zaino.



From what I found through searching the s100 sepc and the vanilla moose are both glazes so nothing is needed after them before I apply the s100 wax, correct?
 
You guys that can go at your car anytime out in Cali are lucky. When you have to spend five months without washing or waxing your car because of weather you learn to appreciate the Zaino.



I've noticed that after a few coats of Zaino if I end up using Z1 again over the coats and then do one more of Z2 that it tends to bring out more shine. I know that Sal says on the website that you don't need to use Z1 all that much, but I did notice a difference. I only did this because I ended up getting a part of the car repainted and wanted to go over the whole car again. I went over the parts that had been painted and the parts that already had Zaino on them with the Z1 and then the Z2.
 
WebDev said:
You guys that can go at your car anytime out in Cali are lucky. When you have to spend five months without washing or waxing your car because of weather you learn to appreciate the Zaino.



I've noticed that after a few coats of Zaino if I end up using Z1 again over the coats and then do one more of Z2 that it tends to bring out more shine. I know that Sal says on the website that you don't need to use Z1 all that much, but I did notice a difference. I only did this because I ended up getting a part of the car repainted and wanted to go over the whole car again. I went over the parts that had been painted and the parts that already had Zaino on them with the Z1 and then the Z2.
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I live in IL so are winters are not all that great, but the car sits from november to march under a cover, so the durability is not really an issue for me.
 
Black Lightning said:
Stuart, just for your information, Zaino is known for its sheeting action as opposed to beading. Bead consistancy with Zaino means nothing...
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I beg to differ...........Zaino makes beads that have the smallest included angle I have ever seen......which means it is the closest to having little sphers of water droplets sit on the paint.......



I have never ever ever seen a zaino car sheet except during a wash rinse using the water/hose techinque described in Davids e-book and the perfect drying technique on this forum somewhere.............
 
I live in IL so are winters are not all that great, but the car sits from november to march under a cover
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Heh, my BMW is my daily driver, but she gets the garage at both ends so it isn't too bad.
 
jpws6 said:
My only guess is it is not fully drying and the swirls I am seeing are not in the clear coat, but rather zaino which is not dried and not removed?
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Switch to a paint cleanser/glaze + carnauba wax combo and watch them little swirlies disappear......the effect is quite dramatic!!



As much as I love Zaino's durability (I get close to 1 year protection like StuartHicks), I'm not crazy about the way it highlights every imperfection on a flat black car. Since durability is not an issue for you, using the P21S or Souveran line would seem ideal for you. Or, you could try a Platinum + Carnauba combo.... Either way, I think you'll be pretty happy with the shine...
 
Intermezzo said:
Switch to a paint cleanser/glaze + carnauba wax combo and watch them little swirlies disappear......the effect is quite dramatic!!



As much as I love Zaino's durability (I get close to 1 year protection like StuartHicks), I'm not crazy about the way it highlights every imperfection on a flat black car. Since durability is not an issue for you, using the P21S or Souveran line would seem ideal for you. Or, you could try a Platinum + Carnauba combo.... Either way, I think you'll be pretty happy with the shine...
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So the s100 sec or vanilla moose are both cleanser/glazes that would work ok or would you suggest something else? I would like to use Souveran, but it is a lot more expensive than the s100/p21s and since I am trying this method I want to see how I like the look of the glaze + carnuaba before I spend a lot of money on Souveran.
 
Never tried the ClearKote waxes and glazes so I can't really give you a recommendation on that.



However, I have tried Souveran and P21S and both work very well. Some say Souveran has a slight edge on black, but we're really splitting hairs here.



With both Souveran and P21S, I'd recommend using their respective paint cleansers (PPCL, P21S GEPC) before applying the wax for the first time. After that, you can either add more coats of wax whenever you want or use a glaze (like Mother's Sealer/glaze or Meguiar's #7) before applying another coat. Most likely, you'll only "need" to use the paint cleansers probably 2 or 3 times a year at most...but with the non-abrasive glazes, you can use as many times as you want. You should experiment and see what works best for you. My favorite is the Mother's glaze + P21S. Whatever faint amount of swirls I have on my black car become virtually invisible (& it stays that way for at least a month!! Don't listen to all that "washing away of the oils" mantra from some of the "Z" forums) and the shine just can't get any better.
 
I have been using Zaino on dark car's, but not black. In any case, when you use Zaino, or any other sealant, the prep is extremely important. When you use a glaze/wax, the prep is not as important since you are using fillers.



As for multiple coats of ZFX...I did notice lately that it doesn't seem to work quite as good as the old method of waiting a few days between coats. One coat is all that it really needs. If you want to layer, do it after the next wash etc. Zaino WILL outlast wax. It will NOT have the same shine though. It's very pleasing to me, but side by side with Souveran...you can tell the difference. I go for durability, with four cars to take care of, but if I were going to a car show....glaze and Souveran (or other equivalent wax).



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