Finest finishing polish available?

Kenney said:
At the Zaino Bros site, it states Z-AIO has mild abrasives... Are you aware that this product exists?





Z-AIO All-in-one: Zaino Store





So my question being, will Z-AIO ruin the finish left by 85RD?



Thanks

Kenney
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Worst case - it could detract..best case it will look the same, but you'll have protection



Doesn't make sense to me to buff to an ultimate finish if you are going over it again with an abrasive product



Both are finishing polishes, just ZAIO includes protection



If there were defects that ZAIO couldn't handle, then i'd use a less expensive, more aggresive polish that doesn't need to finish perfectly. Then go over with ZAIO.
 
Changeling- I dunno if they're still making 1Z Pro MP, FWIW it comes in 1-liter cans and IIRC I got mine from PakShak. I sincerly doubt that it'll give the fine finish of the latest Menzerna offerings (which are supposedly much better-finising than the old FP I was using), but it might still be worth considering. It leaves some (synthetic, from what I hear and from what I can tell) protection behind but it doesn't interfere with my UPP.



Kenney said:
At the Zaino Bros site, it states Z-AIO has mild abrasives... Are you aware that this product exists?
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No, I *wasn't* aware of that product :o Sorry....that's what I get for sticking my nose into a Zaino-related topic.
 
DieselMDX said:
Is 3M PIII 05937 the discontinued polish from 3M?





Any place I can purchase some?
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Diesel if you still want some 3M PIII 05937, PM me, I was unable to find any more of this product but I will give you some of mine (not free, LOL).

If you want it let me know, but don't wait long because I have a deal waiting on some very expensive wax that I need the funds for.

Changeling
 
Kenney said:
At the Zaino Bros site, it states Z-AIO has mild abrasives... Are you aware that this product exists?





Z-AIO All-in-one: Zaino Store





So my question being, will Z-AIO ruin the finish left by 85RD?



Thanks

Kenney
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Kenney,



Chances are using ZAIO after 85RD or 106FF will lessen the quality of your finish. Using Menzerna to remove all your defects will establish a flawless (or at least near flawless) finish. If you go over that with a polish that does not finish out as finely as Menzerna you will lose some of the clarity of the finish. I wouldn't say that it will "ruin" the finish but it will lessen it if you believe 85RD finishes out better than ZAIO.



Polishing is an abrasive process and therefore the abrasives themselves scrape against the paint and leave their own marks in it. The idea is to use last the polish that finishes out the finest so that the surface is left the most flat.



If you're using P085RD then you should go straight to your LSP at that point. First because using a polish that doesn't finish out as finely as the P085RD will detract from the finish. Second, because you're polishing more than necessary. Polishing removes paint (albeit a small amount but it does do it) and you only have so much on your car. So, why remove more than you need to?
 
I sent Phil an email asking for quantity/price of the PO85RD when he gets it. I'll let you guys know when he answers.

Changeling
 
Accumulator said:
While I've yet to try my Blackfire/Menzerna SRC finishing polish, I'd certainly expect a better finish than the 05937 leaves- not that most anybody'd ever notice. On my S8 I always follow the 05937 with a finer polish (1Z Pro MP). But on *most* vehicles I'm perfectly content with the finish left by the 05937.
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How do you like the 1Z MP? I have a container that I haven't tried yet, not sure what I'd top with -- I'd use it on both our VWs paint/clear though. I am very happy with IP and FPII, and I might get some 106FF in a bit.



I've always thought 1Z makes some great stuff.
 
jasonmac- I really like the 1z Pro MP. I like the consumer stuff too, but not as well.



I ended up doing a side-by-side with 1Z Pro MP and Menzerna FP on my S8 (finish already marring free, just needed a little extra burnishing) and I was shocked by how much better I liked the finish that the MP left behind. Maybe it was the difference between a "straight polish" that doesn't leave stuff behind (the FP) and a polish that leaves wax behind (the MP) but whatever it was I found the difference to be striking.



Since differnt people can experience different things, I'd like to hear how the two polishes (FP and 1Z MP) compare for *you*. You might end up feeling quite differently about them than I do.



I had a little trouble topping consumer MP with UPP, just didn't bond the way I wanted it to. So I'd top that with carnauba (I use the similar WaxPolishSoft as the final polish on my wife's A8 and top it with #16). A friend of mine did her Lexus with consumer MP topped with #16 and she was *very* happy with how it turned out. The Pro MP, with less wax (and it's all synthetic wax) doesn't cause any bonding issues with UPP and it's still my final polish on the S8.



I have some BF/Menzerna SRC Finishing Polish that might change my list of favorites once again, but the MP is still good stuff. The MP won't do the kind of correction that the Menzerna will though, even FP does a *lot* more correction for me than the 1z MP/WPS (only tried them on the hard Audi clear, dunno about softer paints).
 
Mikeyc said:
Kenney,



Chances are using ZAIO after 85RD or 106FF will lessen the quality of your finish. Using Menzerna to remove all your defects will establish a flawless (or at least near flawless) finish. If you go over that with a polish that does not finish out as finely as Menzerna you will lose some of the clarity of the finish. I wouldn't say that it will "ruin" the finish but it will lessen it if you believe 85RD finishes out better than ZAIO.



Polishing is an abrasive process and therefore the abrasives themselves scrape against the paint and leave their own marks in it. The idea is to use last the polish that finishes out the finest so that the surface is left the most flat.



If you're using P085RD then you should go straight to your LSP at that point. First because using a polish that doesn't finish out as finely as the P085RD will detract from the finish. Second, because you're polishing more than necessary. Polishing removes paint (albeit a small amount but it does do it) and you only have so much on your car. So, why remove more than you need to?
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I thought that Z-AIO allowed Zaino to adhere better to the finish and that if I use Z-AIO with a finishing pad with no pressure, it would not effect the finish left by 85rd.





Kenney
 
Kenney said:
Does PO85RD have more or less cut than 106ff?





Thanks



Kenney
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PO106FF Final Finish Polish = 2.5/5.0 Cut & 5.0/5.0 Gloss,



PO85RE5 Final Finish Polish = 2.0/5.0 Cut & 5.0/5.0 Gloss,



PO85RD Final Finish Polish = 1.5/5.0 Cut & 5.0/5.0 Gloss,



hope that helps you out...



I am getting a order together to get these from Europe...



its 89.00 or 68 euros the have 1.5 litres shipped here



I would say getting it here will be between 50-60 a litre plus shipping...since they have to get from Europe also so they have to charge accordingly



Al
 
Accumulator said:
jasonmac- I really like the 1z Pro MP. I like the consumer stuff too, but not as well.



I ended up doing a side-by-side with 1Z Pro MP and Menzerna FP on my S8 (finish already marring free, just needed a little extra burnishing) and I was shocked by how much better I liked the finish that the MP left behind. Maybe it was the difference between a "straight polish" that doesn't leave stuff behind (the FP) and a polish that leaves wax behind (the MP) but whatever it was I found the difference to be striking.



Since differnt people can experience different things, I'd like to hear how the two polishes (FP and 1Z MP) compare for *you*. You might end up feeling quite differently about them than I do.



I had a little trouble topping consumer MP with UPP, just didn't bond the way I wanted it to. So I'd top that with carnauba (I use the similar WaxPolishSoft as the final polish on my wife's A8 and top it with #16). A friend of mine did her Lexus with consumer MP topped with #16 and she was *very* happy with how it turned out. The Pro MP, with less wax (and it's all synthetic wax) doesn't cause any bonding issues with UPP and it's still my final polish on the S8.



I have some BF/Menzerna SRC Finishing Polish that might change my list of favorites once again, but the MP is still good stuff. The MP won't do the kind of correction that the Menzerna will though, even FP does a *lot* more correction for me than the 1z MP/WPS (only tried them on the hard Audi clear, dunno about softer paints).
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Great, thanks for that -- I have the 'Pro' version too. I was thinking of AJ or UPP then P21S on top for my spring cleanups, so I'll use the MP Pro on them as a final polish then go to UPP or AJ (I hope AJ bonds properly). IP is my goto as a corrective polish anyway. -- I understood MP to be a finishing polish? Maybe I misunderstood that :)



Did you use a PC with the MP, and if so, do you remember the pad/speed combo at which you polished? I'm guessing that my white LC pads will be fine.
 
Kenney said:
I thought that Z-AIO allowed Zaino to adhere better to the finish and that if I use Z-AIO with a finishing pad with no pressure, it would not effect the finish left by 85rd.





Kenney
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I can't really say if Z-AIO will allow the Zaino to bond better. That I guess is more of a question for Sal to answer than me.



As for effecting the finish . . . I can't add to what I've already said in the post you quoted. It's an abrasive process. This is kind of an extreme example but if you sand wood with fine grit paper and then sand it with medium grit will that result in the smoothest finish?
 
jasonmac said:
Great, thanks for that -- I have the 'Pro' version too. I was thinking of AJ or UPP then P21S on top for my spring cleanups, so I'll use the MP Pro on them as a final polish then go to UPP or AJ (I hope AJ bonds properly). IP is my goto as a corrective polish anyway. -- I understood MP to be a finishing polish? Maybe I misunderstood that :)



Did you use a PC with the MP, and if so, do you remember the pad/speed combo at which you polished? I'm guessing that my white LC pads will be fine.
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Dunno about the AJ but I'd be surprised if it didn't bond. The UPP works fine but be sure to let it set up a good long time before you buff it off.



Yean the 1Z Pro MP is a finishing polish, very little corrective ability. I get things basically perfect and then use it to bring out additional gloss.



I use the Pro MP by both PC and Cyclo. PC- speed 4-5, white pads oughta be fine but you might see a *tiny* benefit from doing a pass or two with a finishing pad. I first noticed how special the MP can be when I used the Cyclo with finishing pads and did numerous very light (no pressure) passes on a finish I thought was already 100%.



Note that all my experiences with 1z Pro MP were on hard Audi clear, not sure how it'll behave on softer paints but it's sure not gonna be overly aggressive. IIRC ebpcivicsi has used it for a final polish on very soft clears that were prone to micromarring.
 
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