Finest finishing polish available?

I believe everything you have told me guys, but I would like to go with something that hasn't been discontinued. It would be a pain in the tush to get to know the polish and find out I couldn't get any more.

I have a gallon of 3M PIII Machine Glaze. I know it is a finishing polish but I would like to know how it stacks up against the PO85RD and PO166FF as giving a show car finish prep?



Changeling
 
If you are looking to finish out show cars, I'd also consider Meguiars pure polishes, #7, #3 or #81. They really have no cut beyond the pad choice but they are loaded with polishing oils that give incredible depth. Clearkote's Red Machine Glaze is similar in function and depth to the Meguiars polishes but easier to use.
 
Changeling said:
.. I have a gallon of 3M PIII Machine Glaze. I know it is a finishing polish but I would like to know how it stacks up against the PO85RD and PO166FF as giving a show car finish prep?
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While I've yet to try my Blackfire/Menzerna SRC finishing polish, I'd certainly expect a better finish than the 05937 leaves- not that most anybody'd ever notice. On my S8 I always follow the 05937 with a finer polish (1Z Pro MP). But on *most* vehicles I'm perfectly content with the finish left by the 05937.
 
would using zaio over Menzerna PO85RD lessen the finish created by RD since zaio has abrasives in it?



Kenney
 
Accumulator said:
While I've yet to try my Blackfire/Menzerna SRC finishing polish, I'd certainly expect a better finish than the 05937 leaves- not that most anybody'd ever notice. On my S8 I always follow the 05937 with a finer polish (1Z Pro MP). But on *most* vehicles I'm perfectly content with the finish left by the 05937.
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I understand what you are saying, but I have to get involved with some new hobbies or I am going to go nuts!

SO, I look at it this way, if you are going to do something, do it to the best of your ability are just don't even bother! For me, it has always been all or nothing, and that is where I am at with "Autopia" and detailing. There are so many people (locally) coming to me like I'm some kind of Guru because I have a few answers (No experience) to there auto finish problems. I tell them where to go (Autopia) to learn and I am sure there are a few here now who will hopefully believe that I have "NO EXPERIENCE", however, I don't mind and enjoy helping others, so here I am, like it or not. I am going to do my best to see that they learn the correct way of detailing.

First fact: Accumulator you have basically taught me everything I know up to this point in time and I am forever in your debt for taking the time to make sure I got it right , at least in a learning way (Detailing 101,102, 10?), LOL!



Back to the present, I have a fairly good stockpile of stuff to try and let others (neighbors, friends) use. However I'm lacking in knowledge on the final finishing preparation to use after "3M PIII Machine Glaze". I have read a hell of a lot of the posts and it really seems to come down to Menzurna PO106FF or PO106FA. There seems to be a lot of "I really don't know" type atmosphere with a very few that have some experience in this area that are subjectively positive.

Me, I am taking a look and see attitude because I have at least a month to see what develops from more testing of the Pros that never have enough time!

Thank you, Changeling
 
I was very impressed by the way ZPC finished down via rotary on black - similar to 106ff in my opinion, although I don't think it's as easy to work with.
 
Scottwax said:
If you are looking to finish out show cars, I'd also consider Meguiars pure polishes, #7, #3 or #81. They really have no cut beyond the pad choice but they are loaded with polishing oils that give incredible depth. Clearkote's Red Machine Glaze is similar in function and depth to the Meguiars polishes but easier to use.
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Current Vehicle: Black Toyota Tacoma TRD 4x4. Final (Intended) finish in order of application: Werkstatt Prime Strong, Werkstatt Acrylic Jett Triger, Meguiars #7, Chemical Guys 50/50.

My intention for complete paint prep with a PC, this is where I'm worried because this is where the "Real Finish" comes from.

3M PIII 05933 Rubbing Compound over all of the rough areas, scratches, around door handles with a PC.

Followed by 3M PIII 05937 over the whole truck with a PC.



This is the point at which I am a little stuck. To finish out the paint to an awesome/show car finish I would need a polish that is finer than the 3M PIII Machine Glaze, or DO I?



There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm in the expert circles for Menzurna PO106FF and PO106FA (I don't know the difference).

Since I am going to use a "Glaze" Megs #7, I really don't need a paint prep that has fillers if I read the pros right, also I don't know if a prep compound with fillers would even make a difference or possibly hinder the effects of the Megs #7.



Chemical guys 50/50 and #7 will be used interchangeably as the final LSP.



Changeling
 
Solid black or metallic black? Solid black I'd go with CK's RMG or one of the Meguiars pure polishes topped with a quality carnauba if you are looking for the absolutely deepest finish.



106FF/Prime/AJ for metallic black.
 
Kenney- The LSPs from Zaino are all nonabrasive IIRC; perhaps you're thinking of Klasse AIO.



DieselMDX said:
Is 3M PIII 05937 the discontinued polish from 3M?



Any place I can purchase some?
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Yeah, it was discontinued but some places still have it. I dunno just who at present but somebody might be able to point you in the right direction. My local autobody/paint supply place had some the last time I was there, but that was last fall.



Changeling- Heh heh, I sure can't talk about people insisting on doing things to the best of their ability :D



Sometimes the added step of a final polish simply isn't warranted, it either won't be noticeable or it won't be appreciated (assuming you care about the latter ;) ). If you get things as good as possible with the 05937, *try* the finer polish and see if you notice a difference; IMO sometimes you will and sometimes you won't. I *did* see a difference on the S8 so I go ahead and do the additional work with the 1Z Pro MP (which beat out Menzerna FP in a side-by-side *on that paint*, much to my surprise).



In my experience a final polish with fillers generally won't interfere with a glaze like the Meg's #3/#5/#7/#81. But IIRC the Menzerna products don't leave anything behind anyhow (which might be why I liked the Pro MP better).
 
Scottwax said:
Solid black or metallic black? Solid black I'd go with CK's RMG or one of the Meguiars pure polishes topped with a quality carnauba if you are looking for the absolutely deepest finish.



106FF/Prime/AJ for metallic black.
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i will be doing that on my truck with souveran
 
It's easy to overcomplicate all of this and it's overwhelming to think of what to use and in what order. It's tempting to use every product in your cabinet.





I'm still debating my solid black spring detail..The only thing I'm sure of is using the BF SRC-FP



From there it's perhaps #81 or Prime Strong and then S100 or M26



But maybe I'll melt a little S100 and M26 Paste to compromise! :D



I just tell myself that I'll have plenty of chances to try out everything.



If you're planning on fully detailing your truck several times ...when it ever gets warm..., I'd consider skipping the AJT step since you don't need the durabiltiy so much and you're working on solid black..and save it for winter duty
 
SpoiledMan said:
****NO MORE 85RD REQUESTS PLEASE****



I have had overwhelming requests for samples. Please no more requests.:)
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I won't request any more "Spoiled Man", I demand a sample, LOL. Somehow I have a strong feeling you received a few emails lately :chuckle:





DieselMDX, I am going to 2 new paint stores tomorrow out of my area, I'll check for you on the 05937, but don't get your hopes up. I know I have the last gallon in Frederick Maryland, at least in paint stores.



Accumulator, that polish you refer to, is it what you recommend as a finner polish than the 05937, is it discontinued or a regular stocked item? Will it break down OK with a PC?





Changeling
 
Changeling said:
I won't request any more "Spoiled Man", I demand a sample, LOL. Somehow I have a strong feeling you received a few emails lately :chuckle:





DieselMDX, I am going to 2 new paint stores tomorrow out of my area, I'll check for you on the 05937, but don't get your hopes up. I know I have the last gallon in Frederick Maryland, at least in paint stores.



Accumulator, that polish you refer to, is it what you recommend as a finner polish than the 05937, is it discontinued or a regular stocked item? Will it break down OK with a PC?





Changeling
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WOW thanx for the look out I appreciate it!
 
Kenney said:
At the Zaino Bros site, it states Z-AIO has mild abrasives... Are you aware that this product exists?





Z-AIO All-in-one: Zaino Store





So my question being, will Z-AIO ruin the finish left by 85RD?



Thanks

Kenney
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It will not ruin the finish at all. If anything it will enhance it. PO85rd and 106ff actually corrects the finish and will make it razor sharp flawless clear finish. It does not contain any fillers or glazes that fill to where only a wax can be used on top of and an aio will remove it. With PO85rd and 106ff there is nothing to remove unless you use a compound and marr the surface.



The ZAIO is a mild cleaner/protectant and leaves a very nice gloss and will only be intensified when used over any of the po's. But it is not needed unless one wants to stop here as a lsp or to do it and then top with CS. Maybe it does have it's benifits.
 
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