Duragloss FC & Zaino Z6 - Same Product????

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SpearsVette said:
keep in mind, Sal Zaino is a painter, not a chemist by original trade. Theres also only a few different combinations possible to create sealants and detail sprays that are clear coat safe.
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Mr. Chemist, please get together with your "wax maker friend" and add some validity to these claims you keep talking about with different combinations of this and that. :) We like evidence and if you got it we would love to hear about it. Heck you may even get a sticky. :D
 
buzzb said:
Color and smell are VERY easy to change between products (dye/scent). If they produce the same results (in your eyes), one costs much less and you get more product, and it's available locally so there's no need to pay shipping or wait to receive your package- would you care if one smelled slightly different or had a tinge of a different color? I wouldn't.

I'm NOT saying they are exactly the same product line (never have) but I am saying the DG line has some fine alternatives for less money.
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:faint:Have you read anything else that I have written in this thread??? :confused: :think:
 
howareb said:
Mr. Chemist, please get together with your "wax maker friend" and add some validity to these claims you keep talking about with different combinations of this and that. :) We like evidence and if you got it we would love to hear about it. Heck you may even get a sticky. :D
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i wish lol, im a painter myself lol, and do a lot of detailing on the side. I don't know what claims youre talking about, but theres only so many different ingredients you can throw together, its really more along the lines of the concentration %'s.



all I'm saying is, theres only so many combinations out there, its bound that someone will have similar products.
 
howareb said:
:faint:Have you read anything else that I have written in this thread??? :confused: :think:
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howareb said:
Well TigerMike did mention that the wash smells different. But they work the same. I have never used the duragloss wash, so I do not know about that one. Do the sniff test on the AW and Z8, and let me know what you think.
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Yes and I am agreeing with you (lots of good points). You asked for a sniff test of AW and Z8. I have both AW and Z8 and they do not smell the same to me. However they do have nearly the same performance (I would give the edge to Z8 but is it worth 3 times the cost? To some yes but probably not to most) and smell/color are non factors to me (as long as the smell isn't terrible). :2thumbs:
 
As others have noted, it is also interesting that many of the products have nearly the same descriptions/warnings also.



Here's the way I look at it....I used Zaino for several years and have used DG off and on (now regularly) for several years also. So, I'm pretty keen on the exact workings of both lines. When using the DG products, I just can't help but get a feeling that I've used these products before, kinda like deja vu, if that makes any sense. It's not like using Meguiar's and Mother's, as clearly using those products just doesn't feel remotely like you are using "similar" products. You can clearly tell they are different....but, in my experience, that is just not the case with Z and DG. They "feel" way too close to me. And, not helping that feeling is the fact that, I get nearly the same results with DG. DG lasts as long, looks as good, but is cheaper.



All in all, doesn't really matter to me whether they are the same or not the same, wouldn't change a thing for me. If they are not, I still get equivalent results with DG, and am happy with their prices and ability to find it locally.
 
I think that AW makes a nice added lube in my QEW bucket, but even when I used Werkstatt's AJ in the past. Z8 added more gloss/depth then AW over the JW line.
 
Also I found that I was using more AW to try and get the same effect as Z8. I usually cut my Z8 about 10-20% with distilled water and use a 8oz bottle with a hair spray type sprayer. I usually end up giving my high-end clients this "sample bottle" of Z8 with a nice MF to use till they get their order of zaino products in. The client is left very happy and will think of you every time they use the Z8. :)
 
gmblack3a said:
I usually end up giving my high-end clients this "sample bottle" of Z8 with a nice MF to use till they get their order of zaino products in. The client is left very happy and will think of you every time they use the Z8. :)
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Your biting out of my book now...:goodjob



I would love to have verification that the Zaino products are made by Dura-Gloss AND that the Dura-Gloss company is selling and has sold the exact same products in either the same or a diluted ratio.



All of the little Zaino "BJ" boys will be in tears over this. They may even have a candlelight vigil in Howell, NJ to show their undying support of Sal and his Yellow Z06!



I use the Zaino products, Ill continue to use them as they are effective for my use.



I just think this, if true, will be like letting the press finally know that Matt Dillon is gay.

:cry:
 
FWIW, I've also noticed that the bottles they use are the same, except for color. Compare a Z5 or Z10 bottle with most of the flat DG bottles (like 271). The DG bottles are black, while the Zaino are white, but they are otherwise the same. Not that either one make the bottles, but they get them from the same place and I haven't seen anyone else use those style bottles.



Even if they are made by related companies and are chemically very similar, who cares? Most people agree that Zaino is probably the more concentrated and more expensive of the two, so it's not like people are being ripped off. Plenty of companies do this...
 
jsatek said:
Your biting out of my book now...:goodjob



I would love to have verification that the Zaino products are made by Dura-Gloss AND that the Dura-Gloss company is selling and has sold the exact same products in either the same or a diluted ratio.



All of the little Zaino "BJ" boys will be in tears over this. They may even have a candlelight vigil in Howell, NJ to show their undying support of Sal and his Yellow Z06!



I use the Zaino products, Ill continue to use them as they are effective for my use.



I just think this, if true, will be like letting the press finally know that Matt Dillon is gay.

:cry:
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the Z06 is gone.



its now a yellow gallardo, and of course he still has the GT
 
I don't know if it is true or not but it is interesting.



I do know there have been studies done were they give people a cheap product and they weren't hot for it but when they gave them the same product with a much higher price tag and different label they loved it! ;) It wasn't done with spray wax but I have a feeling the same principles apply.
 
Yal said:
I do know there have been studies done were they give people a cheap product and they weren't hot for it but when they gave them the same product with a much higher price tag and different label they loved it! ;)
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I remember years ago inquiring about Nautilus home gym equipment. I was talking to a local rep (who didn't work for Nautilus) on the phone and I was just knocked off my chair by the price. He then told me if I was interested I should act quickly because the price was going to be going up substantially in a month or two. I asked how he could possibly sell any at an even higher price, and he stated, as above, that the company felt that the higher pricing would increase sales. :faint:
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Detailing been berry, berry good to Sal?
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yes it has.



and i agree on the labeling and price point marketing...because it costs more means its better.



Sal is a good salesman/marketer...i give him kudos if it is relabled DG because he has a cult following now, but i will tell you i can save a bunch of money if it is true
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I remember years ago inquiring about Nautilus home gym equipment. I was talking to a local rep (who didn't work for Nautilus) on the phone and I was just knocked off my chair by the price. He then told me if I was interested I should act quickly because the price was going to be going up substantially in a month or two. I asked how he could possibly sell any at an even higher price, and he stated, as above, that the company felt that the higher pricing would increase sales. :faint:
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Right on. Yeah, it's been proven time and again that people, for some reason, tend to feel better about themselves and what they buy, if they pay more for it (or more than someone else), and then like to argue to everyone (usually on the internet) to justify why they paid the higher price and why it's worth it. Personally, I don't care what people buy or how much they spend on anything, as it's not my money. But just because you spend more doesn't always mean you get more! I guess what you end up really paying for is that warm fuzzy feeling that you love what you bought, and that it's better (in the buyers mind) than everything else. Happens every single day, from clothes, to cars, to waxes, to everything else.



Now I don't mind paying more for something truly better, but I better be getting a hell of a lot more than the next best alternative that may be much cheaper.



And, as far as Zaino goes, I take it the products are very well marked up from what they are actually worth, if they are financing Lambo (and other extravagant) purchases. I take it the margins on the products must be very high, i.e. cost little to actually produce.
 
IMO I don't get it. When a car costs 40-50K and people quabble about $10 or $12 on car products, I just don't get it. IMO Zaino is worth the extra because it performs up to my expectations every time. Looks, durability and makes my metalic pop. If I truly thought DG was better I would use it. I have tried DG and used and still use it on some family members cars who I don't want to waste my Zaino on ( sister in law ) and feel its a really nice product for OTC. To me this apples vs oranges as comparing Ultima vs DG or other high performance products. The same thing goes on in the supplement industry with protein powders .
 
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