DON'T MESS with OLD TIMERS

[autoconcierge]

[quote name='Accumulator']buda- Thanks for taking the time to (re)post your reply, and for the reference to info regarding Dawn. You and I are simply gonna have to agree to disagree on some things, but I guess that's just the way it goes some times.







Abso-[freakin']-lutely :thumbs: I just wish that more "professionals" were, uhm...more professional, if you get my meaning.



I guess I sond like a [jerk] on this subject, but I've had to, uhm...rectify the errors of too many guys who do various stuff for a living and who consider themselves Pros.







Good heavens, that's appalling![/QUOTE]





It is if you "Teach" something you do not know yourself, the instructor could not get away from me fast enough........

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I find it ironic that those who offer the advice sometimes to "Help the community" have a financial angle as well

Funny, I was just approached recently about becoming a moderator on another forum and when the owner (who is about to launch a line of private-labeled products) mentioned possibly compensating me for my time and contributions I flat out told him that while I would be more than happy to sign on as a mod, I would absolutely not accept having any financial ties to him because I would not want to be put in a situation where a conflict of interest or any perception of impropriety could exist should anyone find out I was being paid to be there.



That said, he is going to send me a set of his products to test and review but I've already made it clear to him that I would not write any sort of review that didn't reflect my honest thoughts despite being handed the products free of charge.

 

[Accumulator]

It is if you "Teach" something you do not know yourself, the instructor could not get away from me fast enough...

Far too much of that going on (just get me going about it happening Re life/death matters). At least he knew enough to realize he'd been called out.

 

[buda]

Kevin



"Mobile Tech Detail Person of the Year," For the record, I was awarded that prestigious honor at least 5 years ago when I helped Kevin Halewood, show producer take it from a strictly interior repair expo to a Detail Expo too. For several years, long before Meguiar's or Autogeek were involved with the Mobile Tech Expo we conducted full day detail seminars before the Expo opened and during the Expo.



Does that make me a professional? Does that give my opinion anymore credence than anyone else?



Regards

Bud Abraham

 

[Kevin Brown]

Kevin

... For the record, I was awarded that prestigious honor at least 5 years ago...



... Does that make me a professional? Does that give my opinion anymore credence than anyone else?...



Regards

Bud Abraham

I don't know buda, you tell me...



My good friend Meredith is certainly no professional paint polishing expert:

But upon reading your post, we let her remove 1000 grit sanding marks with a lowly incapable DA sander and a Unigrit 1000 grade Foam Finishing Disc:

As luck would have it, my amigo Jason Rose happened to be with us today!

Jason and I were product testing, as we so often do at the infamous Area 805 Testing Facility (okay, it's a stereo shop, but still).



Jason sanded the severe egg-induced defect while Meredith looked on:

As is typical of Meredith, she pointed out some things Jason overlooked:

Time to polish!



He kept a watchful eye on Meredith as she removed the sanding marks, and gave her only one or two polishing tips:

If Meredith, a non-professional with virtually no polishing experience, can remove 1000 grit sanding marks with a DA, then this proves that even a non-certified detailer (nor MTE Person of the Year) has a legitimate shot at accomplishing serious paint correction without a rotary. By the way, start to finish polishing time was under two minutes.



lane: Toodle-oo!

 

[Kevin Brown]

And before I get an onslaught of posts regarding sanding with 1000 grit and then immediately going straight to polishing... it is best to refine using finer grades of disc prior to polishing. But there was no trickery here... it just worked!



Oh! One more thing...



Jason said that Meguiar's does not recommend you use the Microfiber DA Correction System for the expressed purpose of removing sanding marks.



To that I replied, "What? I couldn't quite hear you with all that wonderful stereophonic sound in the background..."

 

[Scottwax]

Kevin-that shows why it is so important to stay on top of advancements in products and tools in our business. 5 years ago, removing sanding marks with a DA was not easily achievable (if at all) and now even a beginner can do it with the proper products, pads and technique.



I was able to attain this level of correction with a shoulder that still hasn't fully recovered using a DA, Meguiars microfiber cutting disc and mixing Meguiars D300 and #105.

3-4 years ago, I detailed an Accord with paint in nearly identical condition as the above Acura TL and it took 3 steps with a rotary to get the same level of correction.



While I still use my Dewalt pretty regularly, for many customers I am able to offer them a pretty good correction using only two steps and a DA now.

 

[Kevin Brown]

You are spot-on with your observations, Scott! :rockon1:

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

He kept a watchful eye on Meredith

Can't say as I blame him! :eyebrows: :bolt:



:lol:

If Meredith, a non-professional with virtually no polishing experience, can remove 1000 grit sanding marks with a DA, then this proves that even a non-certified detailer (nor MTE Person of the Year) has a legitimate shot at accomplishing serious paint correction without a rotary. By the way, start to finish polishing time was under two minutes.



lane: Toodle-oo!

:rockon1: Awesome post, Kevin... I love it! The file names on your pics were awesome too :nana: :LOLOL

 

[Kevin Brown]

... The file names on your pics were awesome too... :nana: :LOLOL

O M G .... I just saw that!!! Thanks, Meredith.

 

[autoconcierge]

Kevin....."What do you know"?, you just play a corporate Megs guy on the Internet & paint correction specialist.



You can sand and correct paint with a DA polisher??????????? who knew.......(Not Bud I guess).

 

[Kevin Brown]

Thank you! :humble:

 

[Kevin Brown]

I will jump in as one guy here who posted PM'd me on paint correction stuff and I said I do not comment on this anymore and well..................it got back to me that "I should get off my high horse and HELP the community", well I have .................. and still do............... but I find it ironic that those who offer the advice sometimes to "Help the community" have a financial angle as well.



As for anyone who had done more.............knows more, it is Kevin Brown end stop!, I do not see guys calling thier paint correction techniques the "The IDA system" and giving tips without financial gain is really helping "The community" as opposed to giving a tidbit of info but then saying "To learn more ..............sign up for our program" which is fine as long as you are up front about it.



As for certifacation my nephew went thru a automotive course we all see on T.V. which promises to teach and then place the young rookie techs in sweet dealership jobs, I went to his graduation and spoke to his suspension instructor(Wheel & tire) and this guy could not define "Loadforce issues" or "Bump steer" and how to compensate for road crown etc...... so it is "Garbage in / Garbage out as you are certified in the art of "Me not knowism" and the course is a money grab pure and simple as those that can do.........we all know the rest of this saying.



I will give another example, when I started out in martial arts I assumed if you had a "Black belt" you could fight.........I learned very quickly that this is not the case at all as the UFC has proved it is the the person who fights as much as it is the technique the guy uses. As for credibility, pics do not always show the true capabilities of someone's skill set....but it shows if there is a foundation of skills displayed, so some pics Bud of your "Know how" will go along way in this regard, I called out Jon Miller is the same way and still to this day I have not seen pics of any car he has worked on..........funny he "Helps the community" with unbiased advice as well.................for a price of course.

Kevin....."What do you know"?, you just play a corporate Megs guy on the Internet & paint correction specialist.



You can sand and correct paint with a DA polisher??????????? who knew.......(Not Bud I guess).

Bob-



What can I say? With a guy like you in my corner, I feel invincible.

Thank you so very much- I really respect your work ethic and the way you conduct yourself in such a professional manner...





Does a guy who conducts himself as sharply as this really need a certificate on his wall?

I doubt it would really help his "image".



One of the top five guys I want to work with next. :bigups

 

[Junebug]

Holy smokes Batman! Great posts Kevin, I guess I'm adding a few more Megs pads on my next order. I'm looking forward to showing my 16 year old daughter that even a "girl" can polish paint. She can now graduate from doing interiors. And I just bought her a new contractor grade hose for her shop vac!

 

[autoconcierge]

Holy smokes Batman! Great posts Kevin, I guess I'm adding a few more Megs pads on my next order. I'm looking forward to showing my 16 year old daughter that even a "girl" can polish paint. She can now graduate from doing interiors. And I just bought her a new contractor grade hose for her shop vac!

"The orange contractor grade hose" is the finishing touch to any shop(IMO) :wink: , thanks for the kudos on the Porsche write up Junebug.....appreciated.

 

[Junebug]

Thanks Bob, it's actually the bright blue one from Lowes, it matches her Mazda 3.

 

[Jean-Claude]

Whoa, I totally missed out on this thread. I read it after it had just a few post and didn't come back until I saw tons of pages of drama.

 

[Kevin Brown]

Holy smokes Batman! Great posts Kevin, I guess I'm adding a few more Megs pads on my next order. I'm looking forward to showing my 16 year old daughter that even a "girl" can polish paint. She can now graduate from doing interiors. And I just bought her a new contractor grade hose for her shop vac!

Thanks.



Jason Rose has a neighbor with an eight or nine year old daughter, and he taught her how to buff her Dad's cars with the random orbital.



I think it is neat that anyone is "into" car cleaning at age sixteen, but a girl? Fantastic! :bigups



Interiors can be a big challenge for most people.

It's good experience for her knowing how to do them at such a young age.



Which machines do you typically use? Or, what would you get her started on? Does she read the forums with you? :ranger:

 

[Junebug]

Actually I have two daughters; my oldest (16) is a brain, loves school, wants to be a graphic designer and I think she will be a great one. But she's a little out there in the old "common sense" department. She tries hard and always does a great job. But she's like the new guy at the construction site where the boys tell him to get the plywood stretcher and he runs to the tool box to look! Detailing for us has been a way of giving her wise old knowledge I gained by searching for that plywood stretcher myself. Plus a little bonding time, is good and if you're both sweating on the same project you get a lot of mutual respect going. I want her to be able to do anything a teenage boy can do except piss standing up. Now my 13 year old would be a natural detailer, her room is always clean and organized, problem is - she's a mommies' girl..........damn!



I have a PC, PCXP, Cyclo and DeWalt. Since the Megs MF cutting pads and UNO v3 have become my main correction technique, and you don't have to go over speed 5, it is the perfect system for a novice to use. I mean, it doesn't get much easier.