DACP vs. AIO

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nosed_b18b

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Ok. Are these two the same kind of product? Based from all the threads I've read, I've concluded that these two products do essentially the same thing. Both are paint cleaners, w/ mild abrasives in them. Am I right or wrong in this?
 
So they are essentially, from what I gather from your statement, two entirely different kind of products? I would not be able to choose from just one or the other??? Both of those products do two entirely different things???
 
nosed_b18b said:
So they are essentially, from what I gather from your statement, two entirely different kind of products? I would not be able to choose from just one or the other??? Both of those products do two entirely different things???
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I hope whoever answers your question will give us some insight on the pros and cons of chemical vs mechanical cleaners. Did a web search and did not find such a post.
 
Those are in a whole different ball game.



AIO is a chemical cleaner, it will remove deposits from the finish and light oxidation much like paint thinner or alcohol is used to chemically clean a surface. Pros- easily done by hand and will not cause new micro scratches. Cons- will not buff out swirls



DACP is a mechanical abrasive that will abrade away the surface layer of your paint, thus removing any oxidation and any swirls. Much like sandpaper, but in a much more gentle and controllable manner. Pros- can remove swirls and can fix more severe problems than AIO could. Cons- It needs to be applied by machine to be effective, can cause micro marring/hazing which if solved by finishing up with a less aggresive polish like a swirl mark remover.
 
LouisanaJeeper said:
Those are in a whole different ball game.



AIO is a chemical cleaner, it will remove deposits from the finish and light oxidation much like paint thinner or alcohol is used to chemically clean a surface. Pros- easily done by hand and will not cause new micro scratches. Cons- will not buff out swirls



DACP is a mechanical abrasive that will abrade away the surface layer of your paint, thus removing any oxidation and any swirls. Much like sandpaper, but in a much more gentle and controllable manner. Pros- can remove swirls and can fix more severe problems than AIO could. Cons- It needs to be applied by machine to be effective, can cause micro marring/hazing which if solved by finishing up with a less aggresive polish like a swirl mark remover.
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Thank you sir, I appreciate the lesson.:xyxthumbs
 
nosed_b18b- Yeah, as LouisanaJeeper said, AIO is *NOT* abrasive, it cleans by chemical means instead. DACP *IS* abrasive. It cleans (primarily) by "sanding" off the top layer of paint, and anything that's on top of it.



AIO- like cleaning your face with Noxema facial cream

DACP- like cleaning your hands with Lava soap
 
Klasse AIO is an all in one product which means it adds a layer of protection to the surface. It is termed a non abrasive cleaner-polish-protector. With the protector being described as an acrylic layer. A three step process. DACP is a two step process. It is a cleaner and a diminishing abrasive polish. That means as it is buffed the abrasives start with strong cutting action and then break down finer and finer until it become a fine polish.
 
DACP is only an abrasive that breaks down into finer and finer particles during use. I may contain some oils that will fill (interpret as HIDE) some smaller scratches.



AIO is a chemical cleaner which should remove all oils and/or waxes applied before it. AIO may even contain some ultra fine abrasives. It even removes itself. What it leaves behind is an acrylic base onto which SG can be applied and to which SG will adhere.
 
IMPE (in my personal experience) AIO has proven itself to have some mild abrasives. Mild enough to remove hazing caused by more abrasive polishes like Finesse It 2, etc. It's bread and butter is chemical cleaning, but don't believe what the bottle says about it being "Non Abrasive". We all know what kind of track record the klasse people have when it comes to their own products.



JMHO,



Bill :up
 
BillNorth said:
IMPE (in my personal experience) AIO has proven itself to have some mild abrasives. Mild enough to remove hazing caused by more abrasive polishes like Finesse It 2, etc. It's bread and butter is chemical cleaning, but don't believe what the bottle says about it being "Non Abrasive". We all know what kind of track record the klasse people have when it comes to their own products.



JMHO,



Bill :up
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I agree 100% with the above. IMO, AIO is very good at removing compound haze and *I* believe this is due to its mild abrasives content. Personally, I think this is a good thing because the abrasives allow it to be a very effective cleaner but at the same time are so mild that it leaves a perfectly marr-free surface.



Yeah, some of the Klasse marketing is pretty outrageous....
 
I own both AIO and DACP. Both are great products and would not be afraid by any means to use them on cars that need them or recommend the 2 products to people. Like most of Meguiar's polishes, paint cleaners and compounds, they all have diminishing abrasives as mentioned above by Gonzo. Meaning, as you work DACP into the finish, it breaks down it's abrasives as the paint becomes more defect free. I've used DACP with a PC on speed 5 and a polishing pad with no problem! However, this is the most aggressive product I would use with a PC. Anything more abrasive, I would want to use a rotary to gain the benefit of.



AIO, like DACP is also a great product. Just don't use too much of it like I did when I first tried it on my truck. Hard to buff off, the results weren't that much better and the truck only looked as if it was only washed and QD'd Thinner is better with AIO. Does that rule apply to DACP?? IMO, in a sense it does but still, why waste the 2 products. Just my $.02,,,,,,91
 
Intermezzo said:
I agree 100% with the above. IMO, AIO is very good at removing compound haze and *I* believe this is due to its mild abrasives content. Personally, I think this is a good thing because the abrasives allow it to be a very effective cleaner but at the same time are so mild that it leaves a perfectly marr-free surface.



Yeah, some of the Klasse marketing is pretty outrageous....
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Is there a rule of thumb of when to use a chemical cleaner vs a mechanical cleaner?



Can you use both on single stage and clear coated paint?
 
*I* would use a mechanical cleaner if I had marring to contend with. If the surfade is swirl-free, I'd use a (primarily) chemical cleaner like AIO. This is usually on basecoat/clear these days, but I do the same with single stage. In either case, I try to only use as aggressive a product as I need to. The chemical cleaners are less aggressive in that they don't remove ("good") paint through abrasion.



Note that for ss paint, some of the "standard" products, like Meg's #2 (fine cut cleaner) contain both. #2 has a fairly aggressive abrasive and also a pretty stong chemical cleaner. This helps it deal with oxidation, which is/used to be more common on ss paints than it is with today's b/c paints.
 
LouisanaJeeper said:




DACP is a mechanical abrasive that will abrade away the surface layer of your paint, thus removing any oxidation and any swirls. Much like sandpaper, but in a much more gentle and controllable manner. Pros- can remove swirls and can fix more severe problems than AIO could. Cons- It needs to be applied by machine to be effective, can cause micro marring/hazing which if solved by finishing up with a less aggresive polish like a swirl mark remover.
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You can use DACP by hand effectively. Even on the label for DACP, it says for hand, DA, or rotary use. Otherwise, I agree.
 
Hi,



this is what I do. I apply DACP first to take out swirl marks, light scratches, oxidations. Then I apply Klasse AIO to remove the micro swirl that DACP created. After applying AIO once or twice depending on my mood and how well the car looks I then apply 3-4 coats of Klasse Sealant. Then, after removing the sealant I apply a P21 wax 1-2 coats depending on how I feel. This last about 3 months without doing the whole thing over again. I maintian the looks by using a quick detailer when the car get really dusty. I wash the car once or twice a month then start all over again after 3 mos or more. I also do it on my wheels since they are painted.



Ricky
 
Scottwax said:
You can use DACP by hand effectively. Even on the label for DACP, it says for hand, DA, or rotary use. Otherwise, I agree.
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Scott, you had written once that DACP and SFP take care of 98% of the situations that you face. Can you elaborate on when you use one of the other?



TIA
 
Malachi said:
Scott, you had written once that DACP and SFP take care of 98% of the situations that you face. Can you elaborate on when you use one of the other?



TIA
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I use DACP when SFP isn't aggressive enough.
 
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