Collinite facts I found out.

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Changeling

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Her is an email I sent to Collinite:



Mark Tyler <[email protected]>

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The #915 has the same ingredients as the #476S but has 25% more carnauba in

the formula. Carnauba means more durability! Same shine will exist in all.

Added carnauba helps from UV and other breakdowns. As stated yesterday, the

#845 has more solvents giving it the gel characteristics.



Hope this helps!



Mark Tyler

Wax Bytes

Welcome to Wax Bytes & Collinite Wax Products!

Collinite Distributor

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> Can you please tell me the difference between these two wax's?

> I am hearing some extremely good things about your wax's on a web

> site called Autopia.

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> What can I expect in the differences between the two?

> What is the difference between the two?

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This might clear up a lot of questions/speculation on these particular varietys.



The only question I now hae is the "Smell". Everyone says it smells bad.

What kind of bad do you mean, like rotten eggs, skunk, chemical, what?

Changeling
 
The answer I would like to know is what ingredient makes the Collinite family of waxes so durable? Can't believe its the carnauba % like MT states. I believe the top-of-the-line Zymol Estates have more carnauba in them than any other liquid or paste wax but never in my experiences found Zym more durable than Coll.
 
that's interesting to me as well. i thought 476 was THE pinnacle of collinite waxes as far as durability...with 845 a close second.



the smell is very "solvent"-ish. 845 much more than 476 to me...it has a very strong smell of chemical solvent (but...it has a lot in it...so that makes sense) :)
 
Yeah, add me to the list of people :think: over this. That response is different from what they told me over the phone and we've discussed their seemingly contradictory statements before. Gee, I hate posting stuff like this as they've always been nice guys whenever I've spoken with them and I do like their products but when they don't at least stick to a consistent official story line it makes things confusing. I'm assuming that the VOC-compliant reformulations, which they *did* find challenging, haven't changed things.



I too have read that it's the non-carnauba ingredients ("resins" in 845, according to one internet post, for whatever *that* is worth :rolleyes: ) that give Collinite waxes their stellar durability.



Somebody oughta just do a side-by-side durability test with the 915 and 476S/885 and settle this once and for all.



FWIW I kinda like the solventy smell of Collinite waxes, the 845 included. Smells "old school" to me, not rotten/over-ripe or anything like that, just sorta "industrial".
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, add me to the list of people :think: over this. That response is different from what they told me over the phone and we've discussed their seemingly contradictory statements before.
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But the response quoted above is not from Collinite, it's from a distributor.
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, add me to the list of people :think: over this. That response is different from what they told me over the phone and we've discussed their seemingly contradictory statements before. Gee, I hate posting stuff like this as they've always been nice guys whenever I've spoken with them and I do like their products but when they don't at least stick to a consistent official story line it makes things confusing. I'm assuming that the VOC-compliant reformulations, which they *did* find challenging, haven't changed things.



I too have read that it's the non-carnuba ingredients ("resins" in 845, according to one INTERNET post, for whatever *that* is worth :rolleyes: ) that give Collinite waxes their stellar durability.



Somebody oughta just do a side-by-side durability test with the 915 and 476S/885 and settle this once and for all.



FWIW I kinda like the solventy smell of Collinite waxes, the 845 included. Smells "old school" to me, not rotten/over-ripe or anything like that, just sorta "industrial".
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Wouldn't the solvents be more like a "Cleaner" and not amplify longevity? Resins would be an ingredient that would seem to extend durability when you think about it!

I just wanted to see what they had to say, but now I just don't know. I would think the added (915=25% more) carnuba would amplify appearance, but longevity, hmmm!

I believe from what I have read that there are several wax's out there that are very high in carnuba (souveran is example) that don't exhibit much longevity. So, the higher carnuba content doesn't seem to hold a lot of truth, relative to wax life! However, what do I know, I'm speculating. I just hate to think I was tossed a line and reeled in like a fish!



Changeling
 
Setec Astronomy said:
But the response quoted above is not from Collinite, it's from a distributor.
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Collinite's website is still a little unclear tho, too.



www.collinite.com said:
Super Doublecoat Auto Wax (No. 476s)

One of the finest paste type auto waxes available. Easy to apply and absolutely DETERGENT PROOF. Collinite Super Doublecoat is guaranteed to outlast and outshine any other competitive auto wax, polish or protective coating under any conceivable condition. That's why it's called the PERMANENT AUTO WAX. No hard rubbing or buffing... and no special applicator is required. Collinite Super Doublecoat will last a full year, even under adverse conditions. Clear coat safe.





Marque D'Elegance (No. 915)

For the BEST in wax endurance, Marque d'Elegance is the product to have. Car enthusiasts demand a wax that is proven to protect in the most demanding environments, rain or shine, on track or on the street. They have discovered that Collinite Marque d'Elegance gives their valuable automotive investments a blinding, lasting shine because its formulated from the highest-ever concentration of pure Carnauba waxes. And no abrasives means all Collinite waxes are absolutely clear coat safe. It doesn't get any better!
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Id really like to know this too, as I use 476s for my winter wax. If 915 is even more durable...
 
Good grief, I just thought of another possible problem!

In one of David B's articles, he said if you use a wax over Klasse SG (my intention), it HAS to be a pure carnuba and not contain any cleaners or it will destroy the Klasse SG, and you will have to start over with Klasse AIO to clean everything up, then reapply SG if you intend to have the Klasse twin's protection. If Collinite contains cleaners/solvents, it would appear to ruin the Klasse AIO-SG approach beforehand.

Oh golly, golly, golly, now what! Can DavidB spread some light on this situation.?

Changeling
 
grease said:
Collinite's website is still a little unclear tho, too.



Super Doublecoat Auto Wax (No. 476s)

One of the finest paste type auto waxes available. Easy to apply and absolutely DETERGENT PROOF. Collinite Super Doublecoat is guaranteed to outlast and outshine any other competitive auto wax, polish or protective coating under any conceivable condition. That's why it's called the PERMANENT AUTO WAX. No hard rubbing or buffing... and no special applicator is required. Collinite Super Doublecoat will last a full year, even under adverse conditions. Clear coat safe.





Marque D'Elegance (No. 915)

For the BEST in wax endurance, Marque d'Elegance is the product to have. Car enthusiasts demand a wax that is proven to protect in the most demanding environments, rain or shine, on track or on the street. They have discovered that Collinite Marque d'Elegance gives their valuable automotive investments a blinding, lasting shine because its formulated from the highest-ever concentration of pure Carnauba waxes. And no abrasives means all Collinite waxes are absolutely clear coat safe. It doesn't get any better!



Id really like to know this too, as I use 476s for my winter wax. If 915 is even more durable...
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i bolded the funny parts above...Collinite contradicts themselves by saying two of their products are the most durable of any other wax.



now...this is definitely an interesting topic...but i'm sure in the end all of the collinites are very close in durability since they are based upon the same basic formula (i assume). also, as autopians...even if a product lasted forever...we would keep reapplying it anyway just for the fun of it. :) (for customers...that would be a different story, of course).
 
Probably the answer is a bit less complicated then it seems. 476S = 9oz , 915 = 12oz.

9/12 =.75

Since the 915 is a physically larger container its holds 25% more carnauba (and every other ingrediant in 476s). My bet is the simple size difference in containers is where they got the 25% more 'nuba figure they gave you.



- Andrew
 
2.5RS said:
Probably the answer is a bit less complicated then it seems. 476S = 9oz , 915 = 12oz.

9/12 =.75

Since the 915 is a physically larger container its holds 25% more carnauba (and every other ingrediant in 476s). My bet is the simple size difference in containers is where they got the 25% more 'nuba figure they gave you.
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Well, the only problem is that 9 + 25% = 11.25%. So if that was the explanation they should have said 33.33% more ;) My guess is this distributor doesn't know or isn't allowed to tell what the real difference between the products is. More Carnauba = more durabilty, that is a lame explanation.
 
Zet said:
Well, the only problem is that 9 + 25% = 11.25%. So if that was the explanation they should have said 33.33% more ;) My guess is this distributor doesn't know or isn't allowed to tell what the real difference between the products is. More Carnauba = more durabilty, that is a lame explanation.
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The beauty part of statistics is you can make them say anything you want. In this case 75% of 12 oz *is* 9 oz. (12oz - 25%) Easy enough? You are right though, I'm sure the distributor has no clue what exactly is in the tins. I was just offering up a guess as to where the 25% figure came from.



- Andrew
 
Setec Astronomy said:
But the response quoted above is not from Collinite, it's from a distributor.
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Sir you are exactly right, I thought I was emailing the company and not a distributer, I didn't even notice!

I should have paid more attention to detail ( who was answering) before I started speculating on things!

Changeling
 
When I talked to a rep at Collinite, not a distributor, about two years ago his line was that 476/885 was the most durable wax they had and that was what they personally used. He said they sell the 915 only to appeal to the market that perceives it as a higher end wax due to a higher carnauba content, but that I'd be wasting my money buying that over the 476/885.
In one of David B's articles, he said if you use a wax over Klasse SG (my intention), it HAS to be a pure carnauba and not contain any cleaners........ If Collinite contains cleaners/solvents.........
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476 and 845 do not contain cleaners, and as someone else mentioned there is no such thing as a 100% carnauba wax or it would be as hard as a brick.
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, add me to the list of people :think: over this. That response is different from what they told me over the phone and we've discussed their seemingly contradictory statements before. Gee, I hate posting stuff like this as they've always been nice guys whenever I've spoken with them and I do like their products but when they don't at least stick to a consistent official story line it makes things confusing. I'm assuming that the VOC-compliant reformulations, which they *did* find challenging, haven't changed things.



I too have read that it's the non-carnauba ingredients ("resins" in 845, according to one internet post, for whatever *that* is worth :rolleyes: ) that give Collinite waxes their stellar durability.



Somebody oughta just do a side-by-side durability test with the 915 and 476S/885 and settle this once and for all.



FWIW I kinda like the solventy smell of Collinite waxes, the 845 included. Smells "old school" to me, not rotten/over-ripe or anything like that, just sorta "industrial".
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As we can see...we all get different answers..LOL....I called Collinite a while gack and was told that the 915 was there Flagship wax...the most durable....now some may call tomorrow and get another answer...



I have used all of the Collinite waxes..and the 915 looked the best and lasted thru the winter no problem here in New England....



Accumulator and I once discussed this in another thread before about the different story you got on which wax was best....



All I can say is use what you like..they all perform great...not a bad one in the line up...



The best answer is going to be...your answer to yourself after using it...only difference I seen between them all was the 915 offered a better glow to it...



All I know is it is a great product and will be my wax of choice for durability...



AL
 
Eliot Ness said:
When I talked to a rep at Collinite, not a distributor, about two years ago his line was that 476/885 was the most durable wax they had and that was what they personally used. He said they sell the 915 only to appeal to the market that perceives it as a higher end wax due to a higher carnauba content, but that I'd be wasting my money buying that over the 476/885. 476 and 845 do not contain cleaners, and as someone else mentioned there is no such thing as a 100% carnauba wax or it would be as hard as a brick.
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John the next time I run my mouth without checking my information just kick me in the "donkey"!

In regard to the cleaners, I was interpreting/assuming that when I was told solvents my reaction was "solvents=cleaners"! If I hadn't of been talking to a distributer instead of the "Company" I thought I was talking to I wouldn't have jumped to conclusions. However I really thought I was in contact with a factory rep. No excuse, just trying to back out of making a big mistake as gracefully as possible!

Every time I assume anything it gets me in trouble!!

Changeling
 
Don't know about the difference in all the waxes but as for the smell, put me in with accumulator, I kinda like it. Doesn't smell like fruit like some other products, but I don't mind it, besides those other products "good" smells get annoying sometimes. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think IW smells like rubber imitation lures or "grubs" used for fishing. With that in mind it makes me feel like I am doing one of my favorite things (besides detailing), fishing!! Good luck.
 
I have Collinite 915 topping EX-P on one of our vehicles (silver Lincoln). I think it looks great, very nice in fact, very wet and deep forsilver but still has lots of flake pop. I still have 845 but haven't really used it yet. From what I orginally though 915 was their most durable and best looking, I saw pics of another silver car with 476 and didn't seem to be as wet or deep as 915 on our silver Lincoln (though its hard to tell with pics).



Add me to the list that likes the smell, no where near the lovely smell of Natty's Blue lol, but it has a chemical smell that for some reason I like and don't find offensive. Same thing with Optimum Protectant Plus, some people don't like the smell, doesn't bother me loll.
 
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