CMA confirms SIP not same as Blackfire SRCC

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RAG

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A phone call today with CMA confirmed that Blackfire's Scratch Resistant Clear Compound is not similar to SIP 3.01 or 3.02 - they indicated it was more akin to PG. Too bad, cause I needed to place a CMA order and I also wanted some SIP :(



If the above is true, I wonder if they simply used a ton of the same abrasive found in SIP, or if they used the "old" abrasives they used in IP & PG and simply modified the oils/solution?
 
Of course I sometimes wonder if they really know what they have? After all, I really doubt Menzerna is really and truly going to develop a completely different polish for them; on that note, I cannot tell any difference between PO106FF and Blackfire SRC Polish.
 
RAG said:
Of course I sometimes wonder if they really know what they have? After all, I really doubt Menzerna is really and truly going to develop a completely different polish for them; on that note, I cannot tell any difference between PO106FF and Blackfire SRC Polish.
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So following that logic...it would not be in their best interest to tell you that SRCC was SIP...if they don't carry SIP also, since SIP comes in a bigger bottle at a better unit price.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
So following that logic...it would not be in their best interest to tell you that SRCC was SIP...if they don't carry SIP also, since SIP comes in a bigger bottle at a better unit price.
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Sorry, Not sure I follow. But I suppose it wouldn't be in their best interests to tell us anything that wasn't true. Actually, I think SIP generally runs $45-$50 for 32 oz and the Blackfire SRCC is $22 for 16 oz ...not much of a difference really.



But I'm sure they'd actually charge more for their SRCC (than the SRC polish) if it simply used more of the higher quality abrasives designed for ceramic paint, so I'm going with the guess that it uses the old abrasives.
 
RAG said:
Yup. Did I say something to make you think otherwise?
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So presumably the Blackfire SRCC uses the abrasives from the Menz SRC products, not PG/IP...but you asked whether they used the SIP or the PG/IP abrasives :nixweiss



I agree with you that Menzerna isn't going to make much (if any) change to their products for the relatively small amount moved by CMA.
 
RAG said:
But I'm sure they'd actually charge more for their SRCC (than the SRC polish) if it simply used more of the higher quality abrasives designed for ceramic paint, so I'm going with the guess that it uses the old abrasives.
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I don't think your logic is right with this because even with PO106FF, it's still more expensive than SIP. I always assumed the polishes cost more because it would be used more frequently than say a compound.
 
Now I'm all confused...how about the reason that the price is about the same is because it is the same? And the reason it is in their best interest to NOT tell us the truth...is the same reason all relabelers deny that their product is simply relabeled (or minimally modified) something else.
 
Presumably the major cost to the new ceramic particle polishes is in the abrasives used (makes sense to me)...so if their Blackfire scratch resistant polish polish used say a 7% (same as PO106FF) mixture of abrasives and the new Blackfire scratch resistant compound used say 12%, you'd sure think they'd charge more more the compound than they do the polish, but their compound is less expensive, leading me to "guess" that their compound does not use the new abrasives. Moot point either way, cause if they say it's nothing like SIP and more like PG, I'm not going to buy it.
 
Maybe the coarser SRC abrasive is less expensive to mfr? I don't get why CMA would market the BF SRCC if it's like PG which they already sell :nixweiss, but if that's what they're telling you. The SRCP makes sense because they don't sell the 106FF in a small container, so even if it's the same stuff you can get a hobbyist amount, but they sell a 16oz bottle of PG for less than the SRCC.
 
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