Can someone explain the difference????

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Danspeed1

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Can someone explain the differences and reasons for using each; for the past couple of weeks I have been reading up more and more on the Meguiars professional product line.



For the life of me I can't figure out what the difference is between Products #1-#5 and Products #81-#85??????????



It seems like both sets of products do EXACTLY the same thing. They both are the same on the abrasive scale. The only difference I see is that #1-#5 is called a "Cut-Cleaner," and 85 is a Cut Compound, 84 is a "compound" and 83 is a DA Polish Why would I use on set over the other is what I really want to know??? Whats the difference between a "Cut-Cleaner" and a "Compound."



Dan
 
The lower numbered products are older and were part of the original "Mirror Glaze" product lineup.



The usual answer (dunno if the reformulation of #2 changes this or not..) is that the abrasive products in the "80s" series use more uniform abrasives that are more clearcoat-friendly.



Note that #3/#5/#7 are all functionally nonabrasive (as is #81).



I've ranted many times about how Meg's uses the English language in, uhm...inventive ways :rolleyes:



In Meguiar's-speak a "cleaner" is often an abrasive polish/compound and their "polishes" are often/usually nonabrasive glazes (or at least what *I* would call a "glaze").



Their #66 Quick Detailer is a mildly abrasive cleaner-wax, and their #80 Speed Glaze is a mildly abrasive polish with some (minimal) synthetic protection.



As for "compounds", that just *generally* means a more abrasive polish. There are plenty of "rubbing compounds" that're a lot more gentle than plenty of "polishes". It's all a crap-shoot as different manufacturers use all these terms in wildly different ways.
 
^ Really well said. I appreciate the Meguiars info, and I especially like your last paragraph...you said in one sentence what would take me 20. :D
 
I've been wanting to get some Meg's pro line stuff as well and hope someone could chime in on my intended plan of attack on light swirling w/ a PC:



I'm thinking of starting with Megs #82 on a panel with a polishing pad or up to an orange pad and see if that works. If that doesnt work then try #80 with polishing pad then orange pad, if that doesnt work then 83 dacp. I've read 83 is difficult to work with if you haven't before but if used right it provides amazing results.
 
From what I've read, the #83, I thought is pretty user friend on soft-medium clears with light damage. I just picked up a bottle this week, and I may try it on my girlfriend's Land Rover this week, since I don't have any clients scheduled. I know you said you'd be using an orange pad...5.5" or a 4" with your PC? I'd instantly recommend the 4". I haven't touched my 5.5" in weeks since switching to the 4" pads.



citizen arcane said:
I've been wanting to get some Meg's pro line stuff as well and hope someone could chime in on my intended plan of attack on light swirling w/ a PC:



I'm thinking of starting with Megs #82 on a panel with a polishing pad or up to an orange pad and see if that works. If that doesnt work then try #80 with polishing pad then orange pad, if that doesnt work then 83 dacp. I've read 83 is difficult to work with if you haven't before but if used right it provides amazing results.
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I've been wanting to get some Meg's pro line stuff as well and hope someone could chime in on my intended plan of attack on light swirling w/ a PC:



I'm thinking of starting with Megs #82 on a panel with a polishing pad or up to an orange pad and see if that works. If that doesnt work then try #80 with polishing pad then orange pad, if that doesnt work then 83 dacp. I've read 83 is difficult to work with if you haven't before but if used right it provides amazing results.
 
EisenHulk said:
I know you said you'd be using an orange pad...5.5" or a 4" with your PC? I'd instantly recommend the 4". I haven't touched my 5.5" in weeks since switching to the 4" pads.
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I have 4" pads on order and plan to use those.
 
That's why I don't use Megs...who knows what you're getting.



For your Stang, get some UltraFina and your favorite LSP (Carnauba I'd think). If you have more severe swirls, use Menzerna SIP (Super Intensive Polish) first.



I have a black '96 stang and it still looks new.



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Nice Cobra cobrar97, I had a black 96 GT (gawd I love those body styles) that was still as slick as yours when I traded it in on the 07. I hate to carry this thread too far off topic. I have a little bit of Menz IP and FP left and am looking to replace them w/ Megs.
 
Just a question...why are you wanting to replace high-quality Menz products for Megs??? Normally people go the other way. Is it because of the Menz dusting? If so, you have got to try the 3M Ultrafina. Although not easy to find, it work very similar to 106FF and IP, but finishes better than FP or MP.



No matter what, good luck with the black car...you'll need it. But I think, as I do, you already know that.
 
Thanks for the information guys,



The reason why I asked was because I have been using swirl abolisher to try and correct heavy scratches and swirling and its just not cutting it. I know I need something a little more agressive, but I am not ready to move up to Menzerna due to a lack of understanding when it comes to the product line, and of course the price attached. Last year I found an old bottle of Megs 84 and 83 lying around and went to work with it on my heavily swirled Impala. I finshed off with ZPC on a rotary and it worked wonders for the paint. Since then I have been using the swirl abolisher and collinite. Results have been outstanding on lightly swirled paint, but for those oxidized, heavily swirled paint jobs that need a little extra help, its lacking.



I will order more 81-85 product and give it a try again.



Dan
 
Dan

I can tell you that I've struggled in the past trying to find products that work. I've tried tons and tons of stuff, including Megs. Menz SIP and UltraFina are by FAR the best I've found for working fast, finishing near perfect, and being easy to use...of course, this is with a rotary. I'm SO confident that you'd not go back to Megs after trying these, that if you give me your address, I'll send you a sample bottle of some Menz SIP and Ultrafina. That combo is unbeatable on light and moderate swirls, scratches, etc.



Let me know if you wanna try...
 
citizen arcane said:
I'm thinking of starting with Megs #82 on a panel with a polishing pad or up to an orange pad and see if that works. If that doesnt work then try #80 with polishing pad then orange pad, if that doesnt work then 83 dacp. I've read 83 is difficult to work with if you haven't before but if used right it provides amazing results.
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Don't match the #82 with an orange pad, the orange is too aggressive for the #82 (or the #82 is too mild for the orange). I'd just skip the #82 as it's really just a finishing polish (even by rotary) and it can be little more than a glaze (my definition of glaze ;) ) via PC.



I'd start with the #80/polishing. If that doesn't work (which would't surprise me in the least), then I'd try #83/polishing. If *that* doesn't work *then* I'd step up to the orange pad with the #83. IME the orange is too aggressive for the #80 too.



Gotta say though...I'd rather use a whole scad of products instead of these, but that's just me and I place a high premium on user-friendliness and knowing what's *really* goin on with my products. You might want to do an IPA/PrepSol wipe after using the Meg's stuff...or maybe you *might NOT*, depending on your goals.



For that matter, I'd be PrepSol-wiping anything done with Menzerna 106 too- voice of (quite surprised) experience.
 
Thanks for the collective wisdom guys. I am re-thinking my polish choice decisions and may well stick w/ Menz as my IP and FP is running out.
 
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