If you haven't tried 3M Ultrafina SE...try it, you'll be glad you did. I'm a big Menz fan, and my only complaint is the dusting. I've not found anything I liked better, so I just had to deal with the dust since it's just a cleanup issue anyway. After reading all the stuff on here about Ultrafina, I bought some...AWSOME. Works just as good as my Menz 106FF, just without the dusting (NONE), and the work time is much, much longer which is nice too. The only thing I use Menz 106FF over Ultrafina for is the ceramiclears on the high-dollar cars. Since that's what the 106FF was made for anyhow, that just makes sense, but I use the Ultrafina with great results on everything else. And it's a perfect product to follow Menz SIP (which by the way, still dusts).
Can someone explain the difference????
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cobrar97 said:
I appreciate it, but I wouldn't want to put you though all the trouble. A link though to EXACTLY the products i would need to buy would make my purchasing experience a little easier. I seem to get confused between the different names and functions of the Menzerna line.
Accumulator said:Don't match the #82 with an orange pad, the orange is too aggressive for the #82 (or the #82 is too mild for the orange). I'd just skip the #82 as it's really just a finishing polish (even by rotary) and it can be little more than a glaze (my definition of glaze) via PC.
I'd start with the #80/polishing. If that doesn't work (which would't surprise me in the least), then I'd try #83/polishing. If *that* doesn't work *then* I'd step up to the orange pad with the #83. IME the orange is too aggressive for the #80 too.
Gotta say though...I'd rather use a whole scad of products instead of these, but that's just me and I place a high premium on user-friendliness and knowing what's *really* goin on with my products. You might want to do an IPA/PrepSol wipe after using the Meg's stuff...or maybe you *might NOT*, depending on your goals.
For that matter, I'd be PrepSol-wiping anything done with Menzerna 106 too- voice of (quite surprised) experience.
What happens when you use too agressive a pad with a less agressive product -or- not an agressive enough pad with an agressive product? I would figure (in my mind) you could use one product and then change the pads to more or less agressive depending on the necessary correction required.
Dan
Here's the links. If you want to only purchase from the same place, get the (2) Menz products below. If you don't mind buy from two sources, get the Menz SIP and the 3M Ultrafina below. The Menz 106FF does what the Ultrafina does, but it dusts...but it also work on cermiclears. IF you don't need to work on cermiclears, I would go with the Ultrafina over the 106FF if I had to pick only one of them.
Menzera SIP
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish, Menzerna PO 83 , Mernzerna PO85RD 3.02
Menerna 106FF (Nano Polish)
Menzerna Nano Polish, Mernzerna 106FF, Menzerna po106, Mernzerna polish
3M UltraFina
3M 6068 Perfect-It 3000 Ultrafina SE
Menzera SIP
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish, Menzerna PO 83 , Mernzerna PO85RD 3.02
Menerna 106FF (Nano Polish)
Menzerna Nano Polish, Mernzerna 106FF, Menzerna po106, Mernzerna polish
3M UltraFina
3M 6068 Perfect-It 3000 Ultrafina SE
Accumulator
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Danspeed1 said:
There are some products (e.g., OCP) that are very pad-centric in their behavior, and you *can* use a wide range of pads to affect different levels of aggressiveness.
But those Meg's products in question aren't really like that IME. The abrasivs in #82 and #80 are just too gentle to be rendered more aggressive with a different pad and they do their diminishing-abrasives thing so fast they simply break down to nothing right away; at best their "Trade Secret Oils" will lube the harsh pad enough that you won't have much trouble, but you won't get much cut either. Those two are products that simply don't do much correction no matter what, and both should be used with mild pads.
Using a too-aggressive pad with mild polishes will often break the abrasives down so fast that they won't do much of anything, meanwhile the pad will often cause micromarring (or worse).
Using a too-mild pad will usually just result in greatly reduced cut, but *sometimes* you'll get hazing/not-so-micro marring because there are no big pores (in the pad) for the large abrasives to work up into so they scour the finish too much before they start breaking down. That second one isn't all that common IME but can happen with really harsh products.
Actually, I sorta *like* using slightly "too mild" pads with certain aggressive products as the combos end up being mild yet effective and they finish out quite nicely. Gotta experiment to find those combos, but IMO *that's* the way to gamble: a too-mild pad is generally better than a too-aggressive one if you're gonna go outside the box.