Breaking Zaino news...

Anthony Orosco said:
Sorry if this comes across as stepping on toes....but over a year ago...well over a year ago, I began formulating a "self-curing" sealant with David @ Optimum (my ideas, his formulations).



I wanted a sealant that you just wiped on and then walked away. So David put together various formulations but all lacked something but excelled in other areas.



I am expecting to get flamed here, perhaps even black balled....but is it just coincidence that you now see more spray waxes, longer working - "dustless" polishes that claim to be "pad dependant" and now I also expect to see a rash of "one step" products.... or is it just me?



Anthony
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Sal didn't invent anything new or your suggestion that someone else is doing so or had a novel idea.

ALL-IN-One type products have been around for a long time (i.e cleaners waxes for the 60's) . Many poor performing one-steps LSP sealant (no buffing required) types have also been around for over 25 years (my 79 Rx7 had such a treatment from the dealership that I watch them apply $300 option :( that didn't work).



Pad dependency has always been known by experienced dealers. Again nothing new.



What is new is that some of these products excel at what they do.
 
Sealants that spray on and walk away go back to the eighties, they just never worked like advertised and thus it went away. It's what competition is all about. As soon as Ford has a new gadget, Chevy has it.
 
Don't let this thread get out of hand; just use the DC one as an example of how not to behave. So far this discussion has been excellent for the most part. Cheers.
 
I think the excitement about Zaino stems from the fact that his products simply work well consistently.

There also arent any visible "family tree's" (read: CG) visible, he seems to be a pioneer. Sal comes across as a guy that really loves cars and advancing his product line. (I dont know him personally)

Thre are so many cheats and spoofs in this business now. Anything that comes across as honest is a hit.



Optimum - great stuff, I replaced 3m with it.

Zaino - great stuff, still has that Neiman Marcus status.

Meguiars - great stuff, just too commercial for my use.
 
I know one steps have been out for a long time....I used Hi-Temps one step and Meguiars 66 years ago.



My point is there seems to be a perked interest in this area. I know of a few smaller companies now working on them...I'm guessing a few new ones will be coming out very soon.



I also know that some larger product companies have sought to get a peek at Optimum's formulations....and I am sure other small time operations have (I know this as fact as some have shared stories with me) experienced something along these lines also.



I'm not claiming that the idea behind the sealant is something that I alone created, that would be ridiculous. My belief is that certain companies are at the forefront of product development and the big boys are nervous (Zaino would not be one of the big boys).



Zaino has a well marked out line in the enthusiast crowd, others go for the professional crowd first, enthusiast second. I don't believe I have ever knocked Zaino as a horrible product, it's got a great, very loyal following. Actually I look forward to using or having someone compare my sealant to Zaino's.....*IF* this latest beta version works as planned:nervous2: If it can equal, perhaps even surpass the Zaino version, I know we did something very special.



Anthony
 
tdekany said:
I haven't tried zaino yet but how much better will you get with it than this?







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Very nice!!:2thumbs: Looks wet AND reflective. Looks good here!!



Never used this product on any commercial customers, but sure would use it looking at from this pic. I'll have to try.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Anthony Orosco said:
Sorry if this comes across as stepping on toes....but over a year ago...well over a year ago, I began formulating a "self-curing" sealant with David @ Optimum (my ideas, his formulations).



I wanted a sealant that you just wiped on and then walked away. So David put together various formulations but all lacked something but excelled in other areas.



I am expecting to get flamed here, perhaps even black balled....but is it just coincidence that you now see more spray waxes, longer working - "dustless" polishes that claim to be "pad dependant" and now I also expect to see a rash of "one step" products.... or is it just me?



Anthony
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It could be several things. First most raw chemcials come from few manufacturers. Secondly, many products probably have similar abrasives sourced from similar suppliers(was Mothers available prior to OP?). Third, I've heard that Sal was playing with buffless technology for years before he was satisfied it would work. Good luck in your quest and hopefully you will develope a product aimed at volume detailers who would benefit from that type of product.
 
tdekany said:
I haven't tried zaino yet but how much better will you get with it than this? This truck was very dirty. I washed, clayed, washed and finished it up with Auto Magic Awesome Gloss
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That's what I preach. It's amazing how a less expensive product can produce truly stellar results when used correctly. Save your money and learn how to use your products. The person who wins at the end of the day is the one that did it fastest, cheapest and the best!! :secret
 
Score!



Ill bet a guy with skills like Scottwax can do a better job with a can of Turtle wax than a random guy off the street can do with the entire Autogeek warehouse.



From the movie Christine, "You cant polish a turd kid".
 
To this day I sometimes wonder why so much heated discussion goes into LSPs. I mean we're all smart enough and experienced enough to know that the LSP is at most a fraction of what goes into the final look of a vehicle.
 
15951 said:
there's a finite amount of improvements that can be made to products, IMO. I bet there are very few original ideas in detailing.
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Not so fast!



I may be tilting my cards.........but I’m already developing a product that will one-up any spray-on, walk-away sealant.



It’s a “touch-less� sealant; and the coolest part is that it never even touches the surface of the car!!!



It’s a new Water-based, self-dissolving, synthetic polymeric, optical enhancing, advanced polymer ………….eye-drop.



Just two drops “one for Pirates� will deliver an optically clear, mile-deep, mirror-like result on anything you look at, and it will last and last.



It also will remove swirls and of course it contains no abrasives (it goes in your eye…duh).



It contains UV-99 protection and you can instantly add layer after layer by just putting in more drops.



This stuff applies so quickly that we like to say….â€�If you blink, you’ll miss itâ€�, “Reallyâ€�!



RET:spot
 
The All In One market has probobly heated up because people realized the success Klasse has had over the years and really Klasse dominated the All In One market. So now you have JW'S Prime, Optimum Polyseal and so on. Plus its really the best route for an inexperienced detailer to start with. He can do a 1 step process and still play 36 holes of golf in one day....lol
 
ret said:
Not so fast!



I may be tilting my cards.........but I’m already developing a product that will one-up any spray-on, walk-away sealant.



It’s a “touch-less� sealant; and the coolest part is that it never even touches the surface of the car!!!



It’s a new Water-based, self-dissolving, synthetic polymeric, optical enhancing, advanced polymer ………….eye-drop.



Just two drops “one for Pirates� will deliver an optically clear, mile-deep, mirror-like result on anything you look at, and it will last and last.



It also will remove swirls and of course it contains no abrasives (it goes in your eye…duh).



It contains UV-99 protection and you can instantly add layer after layer by just putting in more drops.



This stuff applies so quickly that we like to say….â€�If you blink, you’ll miss itâ€�, “Reallyâ€�!



RET:spot
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:LOLOL



You stole my idea!!!!! Well, my custom formulation from CG. :grrr
 
blkZ28Conv said:
:LOLOL



You stole my idea!!!!! Well, my custom formulation from CG. :grrr
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No,no,no....this is Completely different…. Mine smells like bacon:drool:



LOL

RET
 
Cleaning Fool said:
The All In One market has probobly heated up because people realized the success Klasse has had over the years and really Klasse dominated the All In One market. So now you have JW'S Prime, Optimum Polyseal and so on. Plus its really the best route for an inexperienced detailer to start with. He can do a 1 step process and still play 36 holes of golf in one day....lol
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...although, Poli-Seal really wasn't developed to compete with AIO, in that is has true correction ability. There are not too many one steps that correct the finish (within reason, of course), look great and have decent (3 months) durability. It was developed to fill a hole in the market.



Is the new Zaino sealant or the still in development Optimum Sealant really filling a perceived hole by not leaving any residue that needs to be buffed off? Honestly, that aspect of either product means little to me and probably when you get down to it, not a whole to anyone here. I'd say the vast majority of LSPs we use are so easy to wipe off that is it almost enjoyable to do so. The only real benefit seems to be a small amount of time saved. I seal 4 cars in one day, I might save 5-10 minutes a vehicle. At the end of the day, that will add up...maybe enough to wash my car regularly...maybe not. ;) . To the average enthusiast though, I think once the novelty wears off, both products will be judged on their appearance and durability more than anything else.
 
Again I have been trying to read through the 253 reponces ( almost 11,000 views )

It's apparent no matter what Zaino does particular people will never be happy. That's cool it reminds me of here in Ct the Yankee vs Red Sox fans. I think most of the Zaino negativity towards their products has been the ZFX and mixing bottles. Now that they have done something about it ,they say its too easy. I have to say that wiping off a LSP has never been a burden for me ,I am quite intriged though on how you can apply a LSP and walk away.If I were a volume detailer for a living I would definately welcome a walk away product with serious durability. If it is anything like the Z2/5 pro in appearance I am going to be quite immpressed. As far as the ZAIO I can't wait to test it on my car, I have all the popular ones to test against Prime acrylic,prime strong,Poliseal and Duragloss 105 ( and FK1's 2180 way in the back of the cabinet.)
 
These new products will save me a great deal of time when it comes time to doing others vehicles that want the Zaino treatment.





After wash: ZAIO, Z2 or Z5PRO depending on color of vehicle and finish with CS.





What have I done? 3 layers of protection and shine enhancement. :woot:



Of course, prior to the ZAIO the finish may or may not require a more extensive polishing

but I think you get my point.:heelclick
 
dogma said:
As far as the ZAIO I can't wait to test it on my car, I have all the popular ones to test against Prime acrylic,prime strong,Poliseal and Duragloss 105 ( and FK1's 2180 way in the back of the cabinet.)
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Dogma, it looks like you only have sealants in your arsenal, but you may want to also try some carnauba wax products. You will find that a quality wax will protect much better against water spots, bug splatter, and tree sap then the sealants will, and the wax will also add some depth to your finish.
 
. Actually I look forward to using or having someone compare my sealant to Zaino's.....*IF* this latest beta version works as planned:nervous2: If it can equal, perhaps even surpass the Zaino version, I know we did something very special.



Anthony











Anthony if you ever need somebody to do a non bias side by side test of the new Opt sealant versus CS count me in. I do all my comparison of products with an open mind. I do not favor any one company or am I influenced by what others tell me. I am on my own and let the products do their thing and then and only then will I decide what works best for me. I have used just about every polish , sealant and carnauba out there. I am offering my services to you as somebody who it totally neutral. do like the prospect of the new sealant that does not need to be removed. as others have said it will save me valuable time. give me a shout if you should need me for a test.
 
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