Blackfire WD - LONGEVITY...?

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imported_Luster

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I'm a long time Zaino user, so I know that I can tell my customers that two coats of Z2Pro will give them at least 6 months of quality protection. If garaged, more.

I haven't been using Blackfire WD long enough to know what kind of longevity to expect.

But I've been asked a couple times by customers, "How long with the Blackfire WD last?"

What's been your experience with longevity of BFWD?
 
LOL... I won't be able to answer this question until the winter. Right now, it's on every six weeks, although Todd and Angelo say you can get 6 months out of it (although to be honest, I'm a bit skeptical - naturally).

As I've said many times before, I used to hear about 476s and its "rock hard shell' and when I used it, I barely got two weeks out of it (in the dead of winter).
 
zoomzoom mazda5 said:
So far for me it's been on my Mazda5 for 4 1/2 months and still holding up.:thumbup:
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Is this with 2 applications right after another? Its only been a week for me and i lost that slickness that it was when i first put it on. Is that normal? Maybe i need another coat. its fun to put on anyway.. ;)
 
Mustangous said:
Is this with 2 applications right after another? Its only been a week for me and i lost that slickness that it was when i first put it on. Is that normal?
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True, I've found that the inital slickness goes away pretty fast, but the shine is still there. I would definitely suggest 2 layers.
 
User Name said:
Hmmm... didn't notice that the slickness goes away all that fast. I'll pay more attention in the future.
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I'm referring to a car that's outside all the time. I applied 2 coats of BFWD. Then 2 weeks later I applied 1 coat to one side of the hood and compared. The microfiber slid off the fresh side, but the 2-week-old side was notably less slick.

But.....this car has sat out in the rain, sun, dust, washings, etc. for over 2 weeks.
 
Mustangous said:
Is this with 2 applications right after another? Its only been a week for me and i lost that slickness that it was when i first put it on. Is that normal? Maybe i need another coat. its fun to put on anyway.. ;)
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That's after I put 3 coats. I been using the Blackfire Deep Gloss Spray after every 2nd wash and it helps to maintain the finish.
 
The longest I have ever let it go was ~4 months, over KAIO. It was doing OK at 3.5 months but then we got hit with a huge snow storm and it was pretty much dead. No QDs, a few washes a month and that's it.
 
bigpoppa said:
The longest I have ever let it go was ~4 months, over KAIO. It was doing OK at 3.5 months but then we got hit with a huge snow storm and it was pretty much dead. No QDs, a few washes a month and that's it.
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3 1/2 months is still pretty good... it will get you through the winter. Was that one coat or more?
 
It was one coat. This was a long time ago (from early July 06' to November 06'), so maybe they updated the formula since then. It was the only car that I have used it on that I saw/maintained regularly since application, all the other applications were on customers cars that I see once or twice a year.

I haven't really done any more testing to get a real concrete idea of the durability of it, I know if I used it on my car I'd end up topping it with something in a month. I can read these internet posts on durability all day, yet I know I get great durability out of things that other's get awful durability with, and vice versa.

I guess you will find out how long it lasts soon enough. YMMV
 
To respond to the above post, yes the Blackfire has been significantly upgraged since 2006 with the biggest difference being improved longitivity.

While I have stated that I have seen the newest verision of Wet Diamomd last upwards of six months on my wife's car I am not comfortable giving a concrete answer regarding longitivity because it is highly dependant on numerous variables.

From start to finish we must first look at the condition of the paint and the prep work done prior to application. Was the product applied to clean and healthy paint or worn and aged paint? Was there any chemicals or contamination on the paint that could adversely affect the product from bonding?

What about the product itself? Has it sat in a garage and suffered extreme changes in tempature and humidity? Has the cap always been tightly sealed?

What was the application method? Was the product applied thinnly and to the manufacturer's specifications? Applying too thick of a coat could require excessive rubbing which could abrade the sub micron thick layer that has bonded to the paint. What was the conditions the product was applied in?

The aftercare and enviroment the product is exposed to after application can have a dramatic effect on the longevity. How often is the paint exposed to heat cycles and sunlight and how direct is the sunlight? How often is the car washed and what chemicals and techniques are used to wash it? Is the surface constantly being abraded by dirt and grime? How often is it exposed to rain and water that is allowed to dry on it depositing minerals and calcium?

This doesn't even begin to touch the variables associated with the paint itself. Anybody who has worked on various paints can attest that some paints simply do not like certain products whether they be polishes, waxes, or sealants. This is why you might see a product get rave reviews from numerous people but find the odd user who cannot stand it. It is my opinion that you have to use a product on atleast ten different vehicles to get a good feel of it's performance.

In the end all sealants are complex products that rely on chemical reactions to work. There are so many factors that can affect how they work that it really is impossible to give a good reading of long it will last for everybody.

The good news is that great lengths where taken in the design and formulation of Blackfire Wet Diamond to give it consistent performance in a wide variety of conditions on a wide variety of paints when applied by just about anybody. The new version should last atleast three months with degradation of looks or performance but even this is impossible to warranty. By the same token I have seen it blow by the six month mark on my wife's car. I have personally never seen it fail to passed the three month mark and find that I generally get about four to five months of 'just applied' performance.
 
Im going on my second month. Two nights ago a 747 aborted landing and misted the yard with jet fuel. Last night after it rained I was still getting good beading, about half the size of a dime and smaller.
 
Luster said:
I'm a long time Zaino user, so I know that I can tell my customers that two coats of Z2Pro will give them at least 6 months of quality protection. If garaged, more.

I haven't been using Blackfire WD long enough to know what kind of longevity to expect.

But I've been asked a couple times by customers, "How long with the Blackfire WD last?"

What's been your experience with longevity of BFWD?
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Hey there Bill,

I just applied Wet Diamond this past weekend
followed the instruction and Todd's suggestions
I applied 2 coats with 14hrs. Apart on my work
van. And since I am I'm a Zaino diehard
I applied WD on 1/2 of my hood and other 1/2
is Z2 with no ZFX and only one coat.
It's been 4 days now since the first coat and
it's slick as it was on Saturday, the only
problem is that it looks like I'm driving a huge
dust magnet. You can clearly see less dust
on once side of the hood. But the shine is there and
so is the slickness on both products.
No rain here since the weekend.
Maybe you lost the slickness due to rain?


Claude
 
Claude said:
I just applied Wet Diamond this past weekend
followed the instruction and Todd's suggestions
I applied 2 coats with 14hrs. Apart on my work
van. And since I am I'm a Zaino diehard
I applied WD on 1/2 of my hood and other 1/2
is Z2 with no ZFX and only one coat.
It's been 4 days now since the first coat and
it's slick as it was on Saturday, the only
problem is that it looks like I'm driving a huge
dust magnet. You can clearly see less dust
on once side of the hood. But the shine is there and
so is the slickness on both products.
No rain here since the weekend.
Maybe you lost the slickness due to rain?
Claude
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So which side is the dust magnet, zaino or WD?
opinion on either or is it too early to tell?
interesting test...:D
 
Claude said:
Hey there Bill,

I just applied Wet Diamond this past weekend
followed the instruction and Todd's suggestions
I applied 2 coats with 14hrs. Apart on my work
van. And since I am I'm a Zaino diehard
I applied WD on 1/2 of my hood and other 1/2
is Z2 with no ZFX and only one coat.
It's been 4 days now since the first coat and
it's slick as it was on Saturday, the only
problem is that it looks like I'm driving a huge
dust magnet. You can clearly see less dust
on once side of the hood. But the shine is there and
so is the slickness on both products.
No rain here since the weekend.
Maybe you lost the slickness due to rain?


Claude
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The BFWD application that I'm referring to is on a 2006 Grand Prix that sits outside all the time. I wash it once a week and it rains twice a week. 100* sun every day.

So I'm not suprised it lost a little slickness over 2 or 3 weeks. Still shiny and still beads.
 
Long lasting is a hard question for me with car washing 4-6 times a week. I do use a competitors gloss enhancer while drying each and every time. I can attest the shine and slickness are always at there best. This said, I also try and seal 1 time every other week or sometimes every week. I am sure this is not a normal application routine for most but it sure has my vote in the ultra shine dept...
 
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