Blackfire WD - Application Method.....

I'm planning to apply BFWD using my DA and a modified red CCS OEM pad and read the instruction in Blackfire website to buff till it dry. Are there any differences / benefits / drawbacks in result if i apply BFWD using DA till it dry or just give a nice thin even coat and not buff it till it dry is just sufficient?

Just wondering whether it's ok to go straight (or perhaps anybody that have tried this before please chime in) and put couple layers of BFWD (after washing the car) over previously applied Carlack 68 NSC (acrylic polyethylen sealant - similar to Klasse AIO i suppose) since i'm too lazy to strip the previously applied sealant. I've read rumors that BFWD has acrylic content in it somewhere, so is it safe to assume that BFWD will bond nicely? I might go straight apply a layer of BFWD regardless of the consenquences (less durable, streaking, etc) anyway, but still want to know the consequences.
 
switerajaya,

The "rumor" you refer to was a speculation from someone that did not have their facts straight. There are many acrylics available in the market for a variety of uses. The "type" the person was referring to, is definitely a bad puppy. None of this style of acrylic is used in any product we manufacture and has never been use in any product we manufacture. On the MSDS sheet for BF Wet Diamond, it states there is an acrylic in it. The acrylic we use is a thickener and constitutes less than 1%, (which technically we do not have to mention on the MSDS because the amount is so small). It has no adverse effect and never has. Wet Diamond has been in use for 9 years, and has an excellent reputation.

You can apply it over the Karlack, but understand that the same issues exist concerning how ?clean? the surface is. If there is some contaminant on the surface, it may shorten the durability due to poor bonding. This would apply to any ?non-cleaning? sealant.

Concerning your application question, if you are using a polisher to apply, let the product ?haze? and then buff off. You may want to try a Gold pad as it will apply sealants more consistently than the red and very thin. We tell people if ?you can see the product going on, it is enough?. More is not better, put it on thin, let haze, buff off. If you want, you can apply a second coat. Give the first coat time to fully ?cure? which varies with the climate, but generally is good in few hours. If you are not sure, let it stand over night.

I hope this answers your question and helps you.

jk
 
switerajaya said:
I'm planning to apply BFWD using my DA and a modified red CCS OEM pad and read the instruction in Blackfire website to buff till it dry. Are there any differences / benefits / drawbacks in result if i apply BFWD using DA till it dry or just give a nice thin even coat and not buff it till it dry is just sufficient?
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As far as buffing until dry, I suppose you could work an area over and over again until it is dry and this probably won't make too much of a difference.

In general you just want to apply a thin, light coat to the surface. The benefit of using a DA polisher is that you will get a more even coating on the surface than you can by hand. After applying to the product to the surface you can wipe off straight-away or allow to fully dry to a haze, BFWD pretty forgiving in regards to application and removal.

Just wondering whether it's ok to go straight (or perhaps anybody that have tried this before please chime in) and put couple layers of BFWD (after washing the car) over previously applied Carlack 68 NSC (acrylic polyethylen sealant - similar to Klasse AIO i suppose) since i'm too lazy to strip the previously applied sealant.
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As long as the surface is clean than BFWD should have no problem laying down on top of it.

I've read rumors that BFWD has acrylic content in it somewhere, so is it safe to assume that BFWD will bond nicely? I might go straight apply a layer of BFWD regardless of the consenquences (less durable, streaking, etc) anyway, but still want to know the consequences.
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I've stated (numerous times) that BFWD uses an acrylic polymer so perhaps this is where you read the content. If so I am sorry for any confusion although I guarentee that my intention was to inform by source was apparently incorrect.

As far as the possible consequences of applying BFWD to the surface, at worst you might run into some streaking as not all of the product cures to the surface and shorter life cycle, but otherwise no problems. Best of luck!
 
Jack said:
switerajaya,

The "rumor" you refer to was a speculation from someone that did not have their facts straight. There are many acrylics available in the market for a variety of uses. The "type" the person was referring to, is definitely a bad puppy. None of this style of acrylic is used in any product we manufacture and has never been use in any product we manufacture. On the MSDS sheet for BF Wet Diamond, it states there is an acrylic in it. The acrylic we use is a thickener and constitutes less than 1%, (which technically we do not have to mention on the MSDS because the amount is so small). It has no adverse effect and never has. Wet Diamond has been in use for 9 years, and has an excellent reputation.

You can apply it over the Karlack, but understand that the same issues exist concerning how ?clean? the surface is. If there is some contaminant on the surface, it may shorten the durability due to poor bonding. This would apply to any ?non-cleaning? sealant.

Concerning your application question, if you are using a polisher to apply, let the product ?haze? and then buff off. You may want to try a Gold pad as it will apply sealants more consistently than the red and very thin. We tell people if ?you can see the product going on, it is enough?. More is not better, put it on thin, let haze, buff off. If you want, you can apply a second coat. Give the first coat time to fully ?cure? which varies with the climate, but generally is good in few hours. If you are not sure, let it stand over night.

I hope this answers your question and helps you.

jk
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Thanks for detail and kind reply :thumbup:.


th0001 said:
As far as buffing until dry, I suppose you could work an area over and over again until it is dry and this probably won't make too much of a difference.

In general you just want to apply a thin, light coat to the surface. The benefit of using a DA polisher is that you will get a more even coating on the surface than you can by hand. After applying to the product to the surface you can wipe off straight-away or allow to fully dry to a haze, BFWD pretty forgiving in regards to application and removal.

As long as the surface is clean than BFWD should have no problem laying down on top of it.

I've stated (numerous times) that BFWD uses an acrylic polymer so perhaps this is where you read the content. If so I am sorry for any confusion although I guarentee that my intention was to inform by source was apparently incorrect.

As far as the possible consequences of applying BFWD to the surface, at worst you might run into some streaking as not all of the product cures to the surface and shorter life cycle, but otherwise no problems. Best of luck!
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Have tried it yesterday using a DA polisher and applied a thin coat (but not work it till it dry) and the result is amazing!!! :hurray:
 
The looks really are incredible... No question. Loved it on my Blue Saturn!

Somebody mentioned to me some things they noticed using it on white.
Anybody use BFWD on a white car? Any comments you might make on the looks?
 
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