Blackfire still going.....

If we all are looking for slickness and the shine couldn't we just top the layers of Black Fire with a pure Carnauba? I think this would be the best of both worlds right? :confused:





I have never used Black Fire but have been considering it.



I have top my layers of #20 with a pure Carnauba with great results (so slick and wet looking) so from what I hear this could be even better. :nixweiss
 
Yeah, CMA also told us it has all kinds of polymers and will last for 6mo - a year. :rolleyes:
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Hehe. Just remember they are super polymers, geez I would hate to see their Ultra Polymers. :D
 
Those of you who haven't been to CMA's website and read all the Blackfire info should do so. Terry and crew has updated/amended a good amount of info, including a performance chart of various products they sell.
 
Green Monster,



The whole point of using a sealant is its long lasting shine, durability, and slickness without having to use anything on top for extra protection, durability, or holding a shine. Having to add a topper to BF so it holds its shine or durability is like giving it a "crutch" to provide for things it should have had in the first place. In other words, if you have to use a topper to make it work as intended, then how good is the sealant in the first place? If you're adding a topper just to alter appearance of your finish, that's a different story. I'd actually like to try BF, Platinum, or LS at some point, but the downfalls seem to keep me away every time...



blackrex,

Here's the BF link: http://properautocare.com/blacallfinpa.html



Notice the chart and writeups at the bottom, that's part of the new info. I guess it all comes down to whos marketing you believe. I've seen several things on the CMA site that I think are questionable at best, so I'm not putting 100% trust in everything they may say...but that's MY opinion. Take what you read with a grain of salt, unless you have hard facts to prove otherwise...
 
Metallic Mike,



:nixweiss



I think I know what you mean and it sucks but I don't think there is one product out there that is 100% so the mixing matching will continue. I am also very confussed when I am ready to try something different all these different opinions shy me away.



For now I will stay with my Meguiar's #20 and my EO Pure Carnauba. I like the best of both worlds. Just my opinion too.
 
My initial impression of the durability of BF was doubtful. However, with a more gentle wash, the shine and beading/sheeting protection is actually holding up much better than I originally anticipated. Is it (durability wise) better than Zaino or Klasse? I don't know..... But it's still on the surface of my car after a few months and the shine is still going strong.



If slickness is a property that you are looking for, BF won't be for you. It definitely isn't very slick. Even on initial application, it doesn't have the slickness of Zaino. As for the claims made by CMA about the product, I think that they are fairly accurate. The shine is very very close to a carnauba wax, fairly easy to apply, lasts longer than wax etc etc. I don't think that it "needs" a topper, but some may prefer it as with Klasse users.



I'm not trying to start a "this is better than that" argument, because I doubt that there is any real answer to that. I love Zaino and the way it looks on my cars. I love BF and the way it looks. Z is slighlty easier to apply/remove. BF shine is more like wax, but I think that I like the Z shine just as much even though it's different. I don't know if BF is as durable as Z, but it is better than wax for sure. I wouldn't shy away from any of these products....they are top notch! :xyxthumbs



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Hey....when did you change the bug over to zaino?! And why? Comparison on SHINE?
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My son came home last week for a day and the car really needs a 2 or 3 day detail job....or better yet, a paint job on the hood. We tried to de-bug it, but it was basically hopeless, so I figured to lay some quick protection on until we can have more time. The Z was handy and looked great....except the hood...



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Likecars said:
bigboyhf, I broke out my BF to give it another chance. I was going to try GC and maybe EO car wash vice the BF shampoo. What have you been using?
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AFAIK, Bigboyhf is using Z7 wash... I think you should try GC and see how it turns out. I've been using GC on Klasse cars without negative effects, so if BF is as durable as what they claimed to be then GC shouldn't be any problem either. Right?
 
I have some Gold Class wash and will use it next time to see if there is any difference from Z7. It is definitely less expensive....

The thing about Z7 is that it is formulated for a sealant, even if it is strong. I have no idea what is wrong with the BF wash, but it definitely changes the shine after a few washes. Whether or not it still leaves the protective element, the shine is affected. The shine stays the same with Z7.... BTW, I always follow the wash with QD whether it is a Z'd car or a BF'd car. It increases the shine and slickness on both.



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P, I was counting on the formula of Z7 to keep BF slick and maybe bead the water a little vice sheet it.



I too like to QD post wash, with BF the first time around I was amazed that there was zero slickness post wash. It would feel as though I just used PPCL.



For a QD, after getting a coat of BFPP on I tried EO and FI. I am a big fan of EO, but for BF the FI seemed to react better and provided a slicker feel. bigboy have you tried Z6?
 
BF is definitely not slick! It isn't even that slick immediately after application. The QD makes it a little slick. But from what I have seen, the slickness has no direct effect on the shine.... I guess it's reflective properties are locked layers pretty much as CMA says, kinda sandwiched in which gives it depth. A slick finish would probably be more reflective, like Zaino. The BF QD adds to the shine probably by adding a little surface gloss, but retains the depth.



As for the Z7 adding beading, I have noticed that the BF has been beading more than when I was using the BF wash. It still sheets somewhat, but also beads......



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I remember when a thread started awhile back about the loss of shine/slickness. While I had to agree about the slickness I was never diasappointed about the shine.
 
bigboy..........are you saying that BF did not protect the hood of the VW from water spots and bugs? Isn't that a new car?!
 
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