Black '06 Charger w/Holograms

I doubt claying is necessary, but ok. From the picture it doesn't appear to be a buffing related issue. The charger has a tendancy of doing that, simply by just washing it. Not saying it will happen all the time, but I come accross these often. I'm sure your trunk is the same way.
 
autoprecise1 said:
I doubt claying is necessary, but ok. From the picture it doesn't appear to be a buffing related issue. The charger has a tendancy of doing that, simply by just washing it. Not saying it will happen all the time, but I come accross these often. I'm sure your trunk is the same way.
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You guessed right. The entire visible portion of the car is like this. Quarter panels, doors, trunk, etc. Well, if I can eliminate the clay step I will seeing as I live in Vegas and the heat is a killer.



So just to make sure I have this right:



1) Wash her with my clean mit and Adam's soap.

2) dry

3) apply Mother's wax (by hand) and remove (by hand).



This should clear this up? No polish, no clay, no gloss...just wash and wax.
 
Yup, you got it. Use a good Microfiber Rag (to remove the wax). You can layer different waxes for a more deeper result but that requires more money and time. So regadless of how many products you purchase I would still throw the Mother's into the mix, I like to use it as one of my finishing glazes.



If you don't have the Mother's already and you end up getting it, I am sure you will use it over and over again. It's good stuff.
 
IMO, a cleaner will wax will not clean that up. I would personally look for an autopian-level pro in your area to work that out with a PC or rotary.
 
I'm not going to argue my point here, I deal with dodges (chargers, magnums, caravans, durangos, callibers, neons). My advice is do my suggestion, it is cheap, you can do it yourself, (no machines needed) and you might come out shocked with the results and saved a lot of time and money in the long rong. Look forward to hearing and seeing the results Fix8ed, I'm done here till then.



Yes there are other process that you can do with buffers and orbitals, but he wants a method that he can do, he doesn't have the machines. So it will not hurt to try, especially one panel at a time, to see.
 
autoprecise1 said:
I'm not going to argue my point here, I deal with dodges (chargers, challengers, caravans, durangos, callibers, neons). My advice is do my suggestion, it is cheap, you can do it yourself, (no machines need) and you might come out shocked with the results and saved a lot of time and money in the long rong. Look forward to hearing and seeing the results Fix8ed, i'm done here till then.



Yes there are other process that you can do with buffers and orbitals, but he wants a method that he can do, he doesn't have the machines. So it will not hurt to try, especially one panel at a time, to see.
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I guess you took offense to my opinion that a cleaner wax might not clean up that kind of marring--by hand no less. I just don't think it will....



You're the pro, I am just saying what *I* think.
 
Fix8ed said:
I have pics: These are of my hood at 11am.



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Those are DEFINATELY not Rotary induced holograms. You can see the hand marks, I think those holograms just happened, your dry pad may have not even been the cause... whatever it is.... those are not Rotary holograms, and that means that with a PC (Porter Cable's 7336 Random orbit polisher/sander) and a good polish recomended by the experts here you can do this yourself since the PC is pretty much foolproof..... you cannot damage the paint accidentally with it.....
 
Looks to me like it might be something on the surface - I had the same problem once with 3M dark car swirl remover that I used on a hot panel. IPA/Water took it off and I'd figure that any cleaner wax would do the same.
 
autoprecise1 said:
I'm not going to argue my point here, I deal with dodges (chargers, magnums, caravans, durangos, callibers, neons). My advice is do my suggestion, it is cheap, you can do it yourself, (no machines needed) and you might come out shocked with the results and saved a lot of time and money in the long rong. Look forward to hearing and seeing the results Fix8ed, I'm done here till then.



Yes there are other process that you can do with buffers and orbitals, but he wants a method that he can do, he doesn't have the machines. So it will not hurt to try, especially one panel at a time, to see.
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Oh I did not see what you wrote... and btw... I agree... your method will work especially cuz they cant be that deep....
 
Ah, so I DID do this huh? I figured as much. Anyways, bought the Mothers California Carnuba Cleaner wax, washed her this evening and applied a thin layer onto the hood. Tommorrow when the sun comes up, I will take a few more pics to demo the progress. I really hope this worked...



BTW, I only did one thin layer as I was losing light very quickly so it may require a few more coats. We will see tommorrow.
 
Wax may partially hide that marring for awhile, but it won't do thing to remove it. Also, if you plan on layering wax to speak of, don't use a cleaner wax. Subsequent layers will clean off the previous ones. Glazes with fillers before waxing will also help to temporarily hide the marring. The only thing that will remove it is polishing, and you'll have your work cut out for yourself in a very big way unless you have at least a PC to tackle the job.
 
Do not fear black can look good year round. I work on a black Tundra and Black Tahoe. Both users have been trained in how to care for their cars and thought the year swirl and marring is minimal.



It did take a PC to accomplish it at First since both were abused by them before I corrected the error of their ways.



I would tackle this on my own, but if you rather not that is cool too.
 
Hey Fix8ed, welcome over here...these guys will hook you up.



They taught me how to do this:

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and this:



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(if the hand wax doesn't work for you, seriously look into the PC, a set of good pads, and a mild polish)



-Puropuro
 
The results are in:



After using Mother's, the holograms are still there. Granted the paint is beautiful in non-direct light conditions, when sunlight hits her...yeah, not good.



So, I bought a PC. I have the pads that came with it. Planning on giving it a shot in a bit with the Adam's polish and the PC. The tech guy over at Adam's said to use the polish, with setting 5 on the PC for the first pass. Then down to 4 for the second. He said I might need stronger pads. Besides mail order, is there anywhere I can get decent pads over the counter?



Results and pics to come.
 
Fix8ed said:
The results are in:



After using Mother's, the holograms are still there. Granted the paint is beautiful in non-direct light conditions, when sunlight hits her...yeah, not good.



So, I bought a PC. I have the pads that came with it. Planning on giving it a shot in a bit with the Adam's polish and the PC. The tech guy over at Adam's said to use the polish, with setting 5 on the PC for the first pass. Then down to 4 for the second. He said I might need stronger pads. Besides mail order, is there anywhere I can get decent pads over the counter?



Results and pics to come.
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Mailorder really has the best stuff....like our own Autopia store here, as well as a ton of the supporting vendors.



I think the guys are doing ok with Meguirs OTC stuff though if you're in a bind. Also, start least aggressive and work your way up. Just focus on one panel until you've figured out the right formula. Check your work with a quick wipe of 50/50 IPA/H20. Once it's all shined back up, make sure to put a good layer of protection on (hmmmm, isn't that how this started?)
 
I don't think you need to resort to compound to fix holograms. I've removed them with ultra fine polish and soft polishes and even prime



No doubt this detailer left holograms in it and the old tale of one month later, the fillers are gone and you wax it to find out that it has those buffer trails



When will detailers do a hologram free job and stop using fillers and cutting the paint more than necessary.

Not every car finish needs a compound or extreme leveling.



A one step machine compound or polish and then a hand wax is not going to provide markless free paint in the sunlight or artificial light regardless of who you are.
 
Worth a shot, you didn't spend a lot of money trying the Mother's and you now have it for the future. It is still a great wax to use, so you still didn't waste any money. One thing to remember in the future try something simple then progress forward. In your case you tried the Mother's and did not like the results, that is the art of detailing. You now see the importance of needing buffers or in your case a PC. Believe me if you continue your interests in auto detailing, you will see that other things will come up (especially with a new car). It's sometimes experimenting, somethings work and some do not, but you keep those things under your hat, that is how you resolve issues quickly and improve on your ability. I'm proud of your trying out suggestions and finding out for yourself. You are now about to take your abilities to a new level. Good luck.
 
You might get lucky and find some pads at a body shop supply store. And I've seen them once at an independant auto parts store, but that's rare. Other than that, mail order.
 
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