Black '06 Charger w/Holograms

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Fix8ed

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Hi all,



Let me start off by saying I'm new to your forums. I own a 2006 Dodge Charger, black in color and I made a BIG mistake.



I have a full detailing kit that I have used religiously from Adams and it was awesome. However, I decided to revert back to my old MG wax with a new applicator pad that I did not wet first. So basically, by hand, I used this dry pad coated in MG to wax my entire car. I did not press lightly either.



When all was said and done, she was beautiful. Granted this was 6pm. The next day I was going to go to lunch when to my horror, I saw holograms all around the car. I guess the new pad was a little abrasive to the clear coat and I now have circular holograms (swirls) everywhere I waxed.



I have tried using my Adams swirl/scratch remover and its working OK, but as I do not have an orbital (i have no experience with one either) I can only do so much.



A little more: I took her to a body shop and they told me that swirls were a part of a black car's life. Deal with it. I went to Towbin (a dealership in Vegas) and their detail shop said there was really nothing they could do. So now, here I am. Unsure of how to fix this without repainting the car. As I said, its not "bad" but it is noticable in direct sunlight. Should I use my Adams swirl remover by hand and keep trying? Should I take it somewhere? Any help would be appreciated...
 
Use some Mequiar's Gold Carnauba Cleaner Wax. It is equipped with an applicator, it is set and ready to go for you (you don't have to wet the applicator that comes with it) (Just make sure it is clean from dirt and rocks at all times). In my opinion, this is best for you if you don't want to use an Orbital. Seems simple but worth a try before you end up spending a but load.



I did a black 06 Charger the other day, the paint on them is very soft. Would stay away from any coarse rags or applicators, which you have already found out. The one I did had the slight metalic finish.
 
In your case without using an orbital, in my opinion it is your only option that will produce good results. If they are the absolute results you are looking for then it depends. The savarity of the holograms extc. My opinion try it, it's inexpensive and it is in the realm of experience you require. i resolve a lot of paint issues with this method, so I do have practice with it.



Oh yeah, use a MF to remove the wax.
 
Alright, I will try this today. FWIW, the wax that produced these holograms was the MG Gold Class Paste Wax...is that different from the Carnuba you're recomending?
 
Can you post pics?



They just don't know how to fix them, they can be fixed.



I would find a pro in your area using this site.



Here is a black charger that I did a whiel back that had severe holograms in it--no problem fixing it.



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I don't think cleaner wax is your answer. IMO, you need a good polish that will work well by hand (you might need a PC)--Optimum polish, Meguiars #80. 3M PI-III MG all come to mind.
 
That's exactly what mine looks like. Those are identical to what I'm seeing. I can post pics in a few hours just to compare.



Edit: sorry, didn't see the lines below the pics. Are those products available OTC? If not, what are your opinion(s) on Adam's polish, I have a full bottle of that?
 
Fix8ed said:
That's exactly what mine looks like. Those are identical to what I'm seeing. I can post pics in a few hours just to compare.
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Those came from a high speed polisher in the wrong (untrained) hands.



Are you sure your car hasn't been buffed?



It would be *really* hard to believe that you could do that kind of damage with an applicator pad. :nixweiss
 
hmm...well, I don't own a buffer and I've only let one person detail it since I bought it. I believe he uses a buffer but after his detail, I didn't see a single hologram. A month later, I waxed the car w/MG for the first time and these show up. I'd have thought the holos would have shown up post detail from him, not after a wax from me, 1 month later.



FWIW, I used a ton of pressure during the wax as it was drying quickly and I had to press harder than normal to get it off..
 
The holograms must have been installed by the detailer and he used filler to hide them, then when you waxed it stripped the fillers and they showed up.
 
If they look exactly like the ones pictured, they are 100% rotary induced.



It is caused from an untrained person (me) having the pad on an edge so that only a 4-6" wide section of the pad is in contact.



The lowest portions cause the most marring, and the parts barely touching are causing the least... With the followup polish, you remove everything you see (The light to medium rotary marks), but what you can't see without direct sunlight is the last bit that wasn't removed... Appearing to be a long ways into the paint (since you put such a nice wax on top! Good old depth :))



My guess is that any good compound on the PC with a cutting pad (OHC, OC, H-TEC) will remove them no problem... But nothing short of that will.
 
I was referring to the Carnauba paste wax, not just paste wax (they are two different things) (to help clear that up).

"ebp" referred to using MG's #80, yes that should work as well but #82 is a little better for these types of pictures and better result when using an orbital and not buy hand.



For future new car and present new car purchasers vehicles can be buffed at three locations when the vehicle is in transit to the dealership lot. 1. Factory, 2. Distribution Middle Ground, 3. Detailing Department of a dealership or (outsourced detailer/finisher). A new car is not always perfect when it gets to a dealership or to the customers hands, there are many times when the vehicle has imperfections in the paint or scuffs that result in the time the car is manufactured and when it gets to the customers hands. So yes, the vehicle could easily have been buffed before you brought the car home, this is not unusual.



These "halos" can also be caused by two things not related to buffer at all and they are carwashes with pads and washmitts that are dirty. If either one of these two things have dirt or grit in them or the car is not properly washed/rinsed/chamoied correctly then these can occur as well.



Solution by hand without machine: MG's. carnauba and/or MG's #82. If you use both use the MG's #82 first then remove and apply MG's carnauba and remove.
 
Ditto with everyone else. My guess is the rotary the detailer used installed the holograms and he used a glaze with fillers to hide them. When you washed the car and did your routine, you exposed the damage. Time to either learn how to do it yourself and get the proper gear, or find an Autopian-quality detailer.
 
Let me appologize, for I had MG's on the brain <-----stupid brain.



If you have been looking you might night have found what I was talking about because I meant to refer you to Mother's California Gold Carnauba Cleaner Wax. Surprised no one caught that, for this is a Mother's Product and NOT MG's.



sorry, about that.
 
Thanks for the replys. I will take a pic tommorrow in the direct sunlight so you all can see.



So there's no way I could've done this myself? I thought for sure this was my fault with a crappy applicator.



If there are any Vegas detailers that catch this thread and are willing to give me a hand, I'd be very appreciative. I'd like to see what someone with some "real" experience with this stuff can do so I can avoid this in the future and possibly learn myself.
 
Ive been using the Adam's swirl remover a fair amount lately with my new PC on family members cars. From what I have found the Adams SHR is not near abrasive enough to tackle something like rotary holograms. I found someone locally who had some 3M products (PI-II RC) and the Adams stuff works perfect for cleaning up any of the light hazing left behind from the 3M stuff. Even on black cars the Adam's SHR finishes down PERFECT, but thats because it is a pretty light abrasive.



Unless you have a robotic arm, there is almost no chance you caused holograms. Like everyone else said, the person who last detailed it put the holograms on there. You just couldn't tell because he used a glaze or polish with fillers to make the finish look perfect.



I would suggest to you to make an investment in a PC and have some fun learning to do this stuff yourself. With the money you would spend on ONE detail you can usually get a PC with some pads and some polishes. Not to mention you can take care of any future car you own and possibly make some change on the side doing family and friends cars, thats what I'm doing.
 
autoprecise1 said:
So what method are you going to use to resolve this?



(you have the metalic black that i mentioned earlier)
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I'm not 100% sure yet.



I do like your suggestion about getting the Mother's California Gold Carnauba Cleaner Wax (I believe it was) and giving that an honest try. I figure I will try that first and if I'm unsuccessful then onto a PC, I guess. I will have to learn how to use it at the same time :nixweiss



I will clay her first before I apply the wax.
 
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