Best protecting sealnts available?

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I am sure that this has been asked before, but new detailing products are being released all the time and it seems like they are constantly improving. I recently tried out Blackfire Wet Diamond and was impressed with the ease of use and protection so for, since this I am going to move over to using strictly sealants. I am looking for some suggestions on the more durable sealants out there. It is kind of tough to deside based upon manufacturer and seller claims, since a lot of times their claims are just that.



The main priorities I am looking at in a sealant are longer durability protection an repellancy from the elements (sun, uv, water, dirt). I have become interested in these, but I am open to anything as long as it is liquid based. Feel free to post you experiences on any of these or to give suggestions on others. Also, are any of these better at protecting or longer lasting than BFWD?



Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0

Finish Kare 2180 Ultra Polymer Sealant

Chemical Guys Jet seal





I know that Opticoat 2.0 or cquartz is the best option, but until I can polish to perfection (getting too cool now) that will have to wait
 
I coated both my personal cars with Opti-Coat 2.0, but used blackfire for a few years before that. Personally, BFWD is about all I'd use anymore for a "traditional" sealant. It loses its super slickness after a month or so, but it keeps beading really tight for a long time. I've had cars I've done in the fall make it through a winter up here and still bead pretty well in the spring, so I'm sold on it. I'd also be interested in checking out Menzerna Powerlock, but the fact that BWFD already has Poly-Charger in it makes it less appealing to even try it.
 
RedlineIRL said:
The main priorities I am looking at in a sealant are longer durability protection an repellancy from the elements (sun, uv, water, dirt). I have become interested in these, but I am open to anything as long as it is liquid based.
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If those are your priorities, you will have a hard time beating Zaino Z2. It laughs at all sorts of weather exposure and dirt. It does seem to have an achilles heal though, that would be bird bombs and bug guts. I know you want liquids and selants, but its hard to beat Fk1000P and Megs #16 for protection, probably the only way to beat them is OptiCoat.
 
fk 1000 is long lasting (lasted longer than 2180 for me). not tried the wolfgang. os is pretty good also. nitro seal is supposed to last 12-18 months, not been around that long yet so hard to say how long it lasts.
 
Dan said:
If those are your priorities, you will have a hard time beating Zaino Z2. It laughs at all sorts of weather exposure and dirt. It does seem to have an achilles heal though, that would be bird bombs and bug guts. I know you want liquids and selants, but its hard to beat Fk1000P and Megs #16 for protection, probably the only way to beat them is OptiCoat.
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I haven't tried Z2 before, but I have used Z5. The look was amazing on the darker vehicles I used it on, deep and glossy. I did like the fact that it kept the finish slick for quite a while, but I quit using it due to the reasons you mentioned. It lacked very much in the protection against bird crap compared to ther LSPs I have used. Plus I have read multiple threads before where people have experineced the same with Zaino. If Zaino had better protection, I'd be using it without a doubt.





Even though I was wanting to avoid paste products, for reasons that a liquid is much easier to work with, I may possibly look at the FK1000P. I didn't think that typical carnubas were all that durable. What kind of durability have you all seen with it?



Legacy99 said:
Three numbers: 845
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That's what I have been using for a while now, and I haven't been that impressed with the durability. While the glossy look and tight beading look great for a few weeks, it drops quickly after that in my experience when using ONR in combination. I started a thread on it, and others hvae experienced the same with 845 and ONR. I don't plan on giving up the ONR, so that's why I am switching to something sealant based that can still protect even after regular ONR use. Plus 845 seems to attract a lot of dirt IMO.





I have been out of the loop on some of the 3D and HD products, but is Nitorseal like Opticoat in terms that it is a permanent type of coating? As far as HD Poxy, how does it compare to other durable sealants?



I also forgot to add, being hydrophic is also a huge plus. I love the way that water sheets off like crazy on BFWD. I don't know if that's typical with most sealants, or just a BFWD thing
 
Early last November I applied a coat of DG 105 then topped it 12 hours later with a coat of OptiSeal and in mid April it was still producing tight beading.
 
pwaug said:
Early last November I applied a coat of DG 105 then topped it 12 hours later with a coat of OptiSeal and in mid April it was still producing tight beading.
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Hmm, I read up on the 105 and many claim to get good durability from it also. Since its called Duragloss Total Performance Polish # 105, does it contain any kind of cleaners or abrasives to it? Is it true sealant, or one of those all in one products (kind of want to avoid those)?
 
I believe 105 contains mild cleaners. You could substitute DG 111 which has no cleaners then add a coat of Optiseal or just give it 2 coats of Optiseal.
 
pwaug, your correct, it does have mild cleaners.



pwaug said:
I believe 105 contains mild cleaners. You could substitute DG 111 which has no cleaners then add a coat of Optiseal or just give it 2 coats of Optiseal.
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RedlineIRL said:
I have been out of the loop on some of the 3D and HD products, but is Nitorseal like Opticoat in terms that it is a permanent type of coating? As far as HD Poxy, how does it compare to other durable sealants?
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ns is not like oc. oc is permanent and ns is not, it's just a long lasting sealant.
 
I would go with DG stuff as specified above or FK 1000P , or megs 16.



For ME in winter I try to use stuff that is detergent resistant since I have to use touchless washes unless U use ONR on the heated garage . The only thing with that is that with all the salt on the roads its hard to do ONR in winter . Just to much crap on the vehicles.



I have been using a lot of 845 and too have become disappointed with the durability . The last time I did it it only seemed to last a couple of washes and it was done . I cant explain it because in the past I have had better luck but the last time was a bummer for some reason.
 
Opti-Seal offers really good protection against bird bombs, really important down here in the winter when all those disgusting flying turd machine grackles show up.



A real surprise was DP's Poli-Coat, very durable product.
 
Scottwax said:
Opti-Seal offers really good protection against bird bombs, really important down here in the winter when all those disgusting flying turd machine grackles show up.



A real surprise was DP's Poli-Coat, very durable product.
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As much as I love Optiseal, I've gotten bird bomb etching with it.
 
Well, considering bird bombs eat through paint too....



OS is definitely better than other sealants I have used but with any product there will be some things that are beyond its protective capabilities.
 
I've read that Duraglos is very... similar to Zaino. Given this, have those people using it noticed the same issues with bird crap and bugs that Dan mentioned?
 
There's very few LSPs on the market that will hold up to certain highly acidic bird bombs, if any. All bird droppings are not equal when it comes to harmful to our paint. We can read all day about how a few people have an LSP that holds up to bird bombs but maybe the birds we deal with are totally different so it really wouldn't matter. Like everything else in this hobby, the only true way to know is to try it yourself of course. This ends up costing lots of money so anecdotal evidence can guide us in the right direction. I've seen FK1000 mentioned for good bird protection.
 
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