beginner on pc w/dacp?

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cheapshot

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hello, i have a few questions, i plan of detailing a black 97 vw jetta.



i just tested out some dacp(w/meg burgandy cutting) and some #9. (w/polishing pad) on a section of the hood. i did a section 3 times witht he dacp, before the swirls were removed? as the swirls disappeared i noticed fine looking pubic like hair marks in the paint (only visable under 500watt halogen) i followed up with the #9 and it took me 4-5 shots with the stuff to remove this? any recommendations?



how large a section?

what amount of product?

what pc techniques do i use?

how long to work the dacp?

at what speeds do i start and finish?



i know these questions sound silly, but i'm new to this, and really want to learn as much as i can.



the finish looks very slick and smooth, and there are a few large scratches that i know are not going anywhere, but i must be doing something a lil' off, what are these lil' hair marks? and what should i follow them with?, because #9 took forever, it's more of a finishing polish. thanks
 
Cheapshot- Nah, your Qs aren't silly at all. IMO you're probably doing everything right (including not worrying about the worst of the scratches :xyxthumbs ).



[Beavis voice] Heh heh
...pubic like hair marks...
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The DACP/cutting pad removes marring but also *leaves* micromarring, especially when used by PC (rotary applications are different, according to Mike P. from Meg's). And, as you found, the #9 is *so* mild that it takes a while for it to remove the micromarring.



Next time, you might try following the DACP/cutting with something a bit stronger, maybe #80 (but still using a polishing pad).



Do make sure you're working the DACP long enough for it to basically turn to powder/disappear. The longer you work it the more it breaks down, hence the less follow-up work you need to do with milder products.
 
Cheapshot,



You asked this exact same question in another thread a couple days ago. I answered it then. I gave you pretty much the same advise Accumulator gave you. You need to follow the cutting pad with a stronger combo than #9 + polishing pad. You could have did DACP + cutting pad than followed with DACP + polishing pad and then #9 + polishing pad. Or you can use #80 like Accumulator said. The point is you need to follow the DACP + cutting pad combo with a more aggresive combo than #9 + polishing pad.
 
thanks Accumulator, does #80 have any fillers? i just found out that #9 has fillers, but i really want to try and remove what i can then, mybe fill. i was thinking #82 for some reason, where could i locate an abbrasive chart for this stuff. i know dacp is a level 6 and the #9 is a level 3. what would the levels be for # 80 and #82?



steve, i am new to this and i got really no replys to the other post except for you, thanks buy the way. also i have many other questions that have not been answered.



i am just starting out with this machine this will be my second car, since buying the machine, last year. i still have lots to learn.



if there are any posts that will help me out add the link because i tried searching, and couldn't find anything. thanks
 
meguiarsonline.com is a forum all about Megs products. You can get additional info there too.
 
If you want to make sure what you see is what you get,just go over the area with an isa/water 50/50 mix(spray and wipe) and this will remove any oils or fillers.Or get some finishing polishes with out any oils or fillers like FP2 or SSR1.:D
 
cheapshot said:
thanks Accumulator, does #80 have any fillers? i just found out that #9 has fillers, but i really want to try and remove what i can then, mybe fill. i was thinking #82 for some reason, where could i locate an abbrasive chart for this stuff. i know dacp is a level 6 and the #9 is a level 3. what would the levels be for # 80 and #82?
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If #80 has any fillers they're not much to worry about. It really *does* mechanically abrade the marring away.



#80 is more aggressive than #82, which is only a *little* bit more aggressive than the #9. I'd go with the #80 myself. I dunno about the Meg's chart, it had some errors on it and I think the #80 was one of the products that was incorrectly categorized.



It goes (strong to mild): #83, #80, #82, #9. The #80 is much more user-friendly than any of the others. You just work it until it changes from its gross original color to clear (or sometimes pink). It will leave a ready-to-wax finish.



The Meg's forum site is good if you have Meg's-specific questions, just bear in mind that a lot of people there think that Meguiar's products are the best ;)
 
I love how Meg's uses the numbering system there, but boy would it be easier if the numbers actually went in order.
 
you guys rock, so i think i'll place and order for, let's see #80, #82, a cutting, polishing and 2 finishing pad. i'm going to go broke! but i want that jetta to shine.



after the #80, should i follow with the #9?

also what do you guys think about the #7 if the car has lots of scatches? before the a-i-o goes on.



anything else you guys think i should order?





work speeds do you work the dacp at?

do i work it "till it's dust"? because i also heard that you don't want it to dry on you. thanks again
 
If you're getting the #80 and you already have the #9 I wouldn't bother with the #82.



No need to use anything like #9 after the #80. Just work it until it's clear (or pink) and it'll leave a ready-for-AIO finish.



I'd expect the AIO to clean off any fillers from the #7 so I wouldn't expect the #7 to hide anything.



If you're ordering Meg's stuff I'd get some #16, but I just love that stuff. You can never have too many polishing pads, IMO. The Ultimate Wipes and bonnets are pretty good too.



I'll let somebody with more DACP experience answer the other Qs, but I've always heard to work it until it's gone to powder.
 
Accumulator, thanks for all your help and advice.



i just placed the order and got hooked up big time. i don't know if it's all the competition these days, or if the guy there just liked me, but i got $70 worth of stuff for $39.95



the stuff will be arriving next week sometime, i'll post some pics if i can, i'll have to borrow my bro's or my friends camera.
 
ok i am a bit frustrated, i tried to remove the micro marring and i got it down a bunch very hard to see, even with a 500w halogen. i worked the dacp till it was well, dust! it worked, i followed with #80 and then did the 50/50 mix and a mf towel, i found this combo didn't do much at all. whats my problem? or is it the products?
 
pc with meg yellow polishing pad. i spread the product on setting 3 kicked it up to 5 and polished till it was dust. switched to a new meg yellow polishing pad, then i spread the #80 on 2 kicked up to 4 and polished till it was clear. anyone?
 
Well, the only thing I can come up with is that your method wasn't quite aggressive enough. Obviously, the defects you are trying to get out are just worst than you expected. The only cutting step you are doing is with the DACP which sometimes takes several passes to get all the defects out, and that would be with a cutting pad, not a polishing pad. I would say try it again except with a cutting pad and just keep going over it until you don't see anymore defects, and THEN move to your polishing pad with #80 to remove the DACP induced micro-marring. Also, stay on speed 5 for both #83 and #80, you may even have to jump to 6 with the DACP on the really bad areas.
 
I believe so. Basically, apply the product and buff the questionable area until it's gone, wipe it down with your 50/50 mix and look at it at different angles. If you still see your defect, do the process again. It's okay to make a few passes, so take your time and don't move to your #80 until you are satisfied with how it looks.
 
i tryied the area again. i did dacp cutting for about three shots, then i sprayed 50/50 and seen that the micromarring was minimized, they became closer together but very very tiny, they created a slight haze(now i know where this term comes from) i took out the polishing pad and #80 i did this twice, then hit with #9 just to see. however i have a question, the 50/50 mix i don't think is removing all the product, because if i use my finger, theres a little smearing, also, i noticed lines when wiping, 50/50 off. is this smearing or am i marking the surface?
 
The way you are describing the hairline imprints maybe be from a slightly botched paint job. WHen panels are repainted, sometimes dust catch into the paint and create those "pubic hair" imprints you may be talking about, this is only a speculation, but I work around cars all day long at a used dealer and see plenty of repainted panels. If it is repainted and in the paint, I wouldnt go any further trying to remove it.
 
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