Anyone had their PC Pad do this? (pics)

My LC orange pad has seperated too!!

Thats why ALL I USE NOW are the Sonus pads!!

DAS or new SFX pads. They are better built!
 

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jonw440 said:
I used the backing plate(Black one) that comes with the PC from Coastal It is a PC plate
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Does the backing plate extend past the Velcro on the pad? That is what often causes that kind of pad damage. There should be Velcro going past the diameter of the backing plate to keep it from cutting into the pad. If it came with a 6" backing plate then you should order a 5" to prevent that kind of problem in the future.
 
I agree with Eliot Ness' previous post relating backing plate OD & the diameter of the velcro but is it possible that some people are really leaning on the PC or perhaps not keeping the pad flat on the surface?



If the backing plate is larger OD than the velcro & you tilt the PC to get in close to a mirror, I can see where this would wear the pad abnormally if you were applying increased pressure to the PC.



I use a 6" backing plate on 6" (not advised, I didn't know any better) LC pads, 6.5" LC pads (better choice), and 7.5" LC Variable Contact pads (best choice for me) and none of my pads have unusual wear, velcro separation, or a hole in the middle.



Also speed max's out at around 5. IMHO, running it at 6 may or may not be beneficial but to me it just sounds like it's making more noise & putting increased stress on the oscillalting mechanism.



All the pics of damaged pads posted here are a complete surprise to me, especially the Sonus pads which are made to work with a 5" plate. I would expect the whole face of the pad to show signs of wear before the back.



When I'm finished with a pad, it soaks in a bucket of soapy Dawn water till I'm done. Then all pads are squeezed repeated in the soapy bucket & transferred to a bucket of clean water. Repeat the squeezing process in the 2nd bucket, transfer to a 3rd bucket & repeat squeezing until clean. Squeeze dry, blot with a towel & let them air dry.



The pads that have been used over 12 times don't look very different than pads that have not been used aside from the red stain from FMJ.
 
"" possible that some people are really leaning on the PC ""



I am really one of those and running the pc at 6, but my old and ABUSED CMA white pads are still going strong. The big difference is the thick velcro on the TOL pads that suppose to be also made by LC
 
xhaust50 said:
Well, a TOL representative called back and said they couldn't replace them because they are 3 month old. Seems short lived for pads I used 4 times. Anyway, would contacting LC be of any use being they manufactured the pads? Otherwise I'm gonna throw my next purchase to autogeek for some edge pads and other products.
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Four to eight uses is about what I get from mine, and that includes somes Griots pads I've tried.



If any one is doing better, please let us know!!
 
jonw440 said:
My Sonus pads are fine!! NO rips!!
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Doesn't the Velcro extend out further on the Sonus pads than on the LC?



I know the Velcro on my orange LC pad is just a tad larger than my 5" backing plate, if I were to use a 6" BP I wouldn't be surprised to see the pad deteriorate also.
 
Len_A said:
Four to eight uses is about what I get from mine, and that includes somes Griots pads I've tried.



If any one is doing better, please let us know!!
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That is unacceptable. (not on your part) Either we are doing something wrong here or these pads are:down
 
jonw440 said:
My Sonus pads are fine!! NO rips!!
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I agree, my Sonus pads with the Sonus backingplate are doing great. I have also learned to keep the pad flat on the surface and not apply too much pressure, which has helped a lot.
 
I think the velcro on the 6" LC leaves alot to be desired, it's really flimsey. The 6.5" LC pads sold by TOL have the same diameter velcro as the 6" LC pads but it seems to be sturdier.



The 7.5" LC pads have the best, sturdiest velcro of the 3 sizes of LC pads that I've tried. When washing the 6" and 6.5" LC pads, you can easily roll them into a ball like crushing newspaper.

You can't do this with the 7.5" pads, it's kind of like trying to crush cardboard.



All the LC pads should have velcro backing this sturdy & tough and the recessed backside of the 7.5" pads prevents (IMHO) the type of backside pad wear pictured here 'cause the backing plate cannot touch the foam when centered.



I still cannot imagine why the pads are wearing in the center of the face and, apparently, quite a few people have seen this.



Ideas????
 
I'm a big user of Meg's products. With that being said I mainly use meg's sofbuff pads, 6.5". I've had 3 of them that have the velcro starting to fall off about 3 months ago. The pads were over a year old with over 30 uses on them. I figure I can't complain to much but I have pads that are older and they haven't done that. Use I called Meguiars customer service up since I heard that a couple of years ago they had a problem with the glue they were using. The Rep said that my pads wouldn't be from the ones years ago. He said the main problem they have seen cause this, is the machine washing (guess its labeled right on the package) and using to much product on the pad which causes the glue to breakdown. Since the first 2 were the finish pads I could see that, since those get alot of use with my PC and rotary. The Rep was very good to me and said he would send me 2 new pads since I only told him of 2 pads. When they came there was 3 in the box. GOTTA LOVE THAT!!;) Since this I have changed my washing methods and trying to use less product, but then I'm not getting the results I want. I'm only using one pad with one product for car. Maybe I need to use 2 or 3 pads on one car we will see.

I also have LC pads the older 9" (I think) white foam. They have not given me any troubles.



I've never seen the pads get torn up like the pics though. I use megs backing plate with the centering dot in the center.

Chubs
 
Maybe I'll look into the 7.5" LC pads. Although I was disappointed that TOL wouldn't send me another set or refund my money, in their defense they did call back within 2 hours which I was pretty impressed with. Does anyone know if the velcro on the 7.5" pads goes past a 6" velcro backing plate or is it still short like the 6.5" ones? Also, the 7.5" pads are only the variable contact ones (concave center) and I have the flat ones. Any big difference?
 
I use the LC 7.5" Constant Pressure pads with a 6" backing plate and 6" counterweight. It works very well and I've had NO velcro problems.



The 7.5" pad velcro is inset into the pad. There is NO way that the backing plate can touch the foam. Here's a pic of my pads:



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If you look in the top left of the pic, you'll see a 7.5" red pad. The red and blue part of the pad is foam. The very thin white part at the edge of the pad is plastic. The velcro is attached to the plastic and the plastic is attached to the foam. The plastic is inset in the foam by about 1/4".



Note that I bought these LC Constant Pressure pads from CMA (www.properautocare.com). As far as I know, they are the only retailer for them. They are similar to the 7.5" variable contact pads from other vendors, but the construction is a bit different.



Here's a link to the 7.5" info page:



http://www.properautocare.com/ad712inhipa.html



And here's a link to the kit with the correct, 6" flexible backing plate - "7424-ADV Kit":



http://www.properautocare.com/ad712inhipad.html



The kit above comes with the "FBP-6DA" flexible backing plate. Here's a link:



http://www.properautocare.com/flbaplfordup.html



I added three additional 7.5" pads - a yellow, a black and one more red. I've used the yellow and all of my reds, but I don't see the need for the black.



One additional point. In my pic, note that I've marked the red pads with the Zaino product that I use it with. My "Z5" red pad is for Z5 and the "Z2" pad is Z2. (I'm pretty anal.)



Regards,



Dan.



p.s., I tried to embed my gallery image into this post, but it keeps coming up as a link. Sorry.
 
I am starting to think that too much product is a factor in the velcro coming off the pad. It makes sense that the strong solvents are breaking down the glue. Problem is I try to get by using one pad per product per vehicle. Example: For light polishing I would use a polish of choice w/ polishing pad on whole vehicle. Or for cutting I would use one cutting pad per vehicle. I'm going to start using at least two pads per vehicle per specific job and try to cut back on product use and see if that helps.
 
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