AMMO NYC FROTHe

TheMeanGreen said:
Accumulator- LSP on the regularly pooped on vehicle is FK1000P, and the car will sometimes go three weeks without a complete wash. Chasing bird dirt on a dirty surface is something that can be a bit tough for Bird Sh!t Remover and the dedicated rinseless towels..
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OK, you know how your experiences go better than I do and maybe the FROTHe is just the ticket.

I will point out that I hardy *ever* wash a FK1000P`ed vehicle after just three weeks not matter what, and I clean really *really* nasty stuff like bird-bombs/bugs off with IUDJ after they`ve baked in the sun for at least that long. Eh, sorry... :o not arguing, just sayin` that IME it`s never been a thing...but that`s just how it`s gone for ME so I`ll count my lucky stars and shut up now :D
 
Accumulator said:
OK, you know how your experiences go better than I do and maybe the FROTHe is just the ticket.

I will point out that I hardy *ever* wash a FK1000P`ed vehicle after just three weeks not matter what, and I clean really *really* nasty stuff like bird-bombs/bugs off with IUDJ after they`ve baked in the sun for at least that long. Eh, sorry... :o not arguing, just sayin` that IME it`s never been a thing...but that`s just how it`s gone for ME so I`ll count my lucky stars and shut up now :D
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Yep, as you always say, *YMMV*. ;)

Remind me your experiences with FK1000P, have they involved softer clear coats?
 
TheMeanGreen said:
Yep, as you always say, *YMMV*. ;)
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Oh man, ain`t *THAT* the truth?!?

Remind me your experiences with FK1000P, have they involved softer clear coats?
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Not in the usual sense, softest as-manufactured paint I have is the regular Ford stuff on the Crown Vic.

BUT...the over-corrected clear on the `93 Audi (INSERT usual rant about the [individual] who "detailed" it for the original owner) is pretty soft in its thinnest places, and the areas where there`s no more clear (sigh...) are pretty soft indeed. No problems, though I sure do take a whole lotta care if I have to spot-clean that car..probably spend as long as many spend on a whole wash!

Eh..IMO- "if in doubt, just don`t do stuff that might mar the paint" no matter what somebody like me gets away with.
 
I enjoy watching the Ammo videos. He makes a lot of good points. All that said, I have zero interest in Frothe. Like many have said in this thread, big chunks of stuff (grass, salt, whatever) need to be off the paint before any wiping happens. Don`t care if the wash solution/lubricant is foam, water, whatever. If the foam sprayer can create enough pressure that the force of the foam being applied can dislodge some chunks, it is a heck of sprayer.

The best method I have found for waterless/rinseless is use chemical of choice (I happen to like Garry Dean Forever Rinseless) and apply with a pneumatic siphon fed paint gun. I set the compressor to output 150 PSI (highest mine will do) and between the available air blasts and pressurized liquid, the big chunks of dirt come off and I can safely wipe the surface with towels saturated in the rinseless solution. Added bonus is most of the rinseless washes on the market leave behind some protection.

Maybe
 
jatleson- Heh heh, I`d sure like to know what you`d think of the (siphon feed) Lonn Cleaning Gun I got for Christmas (but still haven`t tried :o ). I keep thinking I`d like that better than the paintgun since it`s made for such stuff.

That`s a nice compressor setup you have, able to maintain 150psi, it`d really work great with the Lonn.
 
I set it at 150 - probably outputs 100. Nothing fancy, just a 20 gallon from Home Depot. That Lonn stuff looks nice. Paintgun is nice, because it is all contained. Pour the mix in the gun and go. Depending how big and dirty the car is, usually takes 1 to 1.5 canisters of solution.
 
jatleson- Ah, OK..thanks for explaining..I was thinking how the Lonn is rated to 175 and oh man would it do something at that psi.

I can see somebody preferring the canister of the paintgun (preferences and all), for my setup it`s easy to dunk a siphon tube into a bucket of [whatever I want to spray].

Gee, that`s not too much solution you`re using!

I gotta quit doing everything with my little one and get that Lonn into rotation instead of just recommending it untested :o
 
My AMMO order is scheduled for delivery tomorrow and my GG foamer is scheduled for delivery on the 12th. Should have comparo done this weekend sometime.
 
Just arrived a few minutes ago. Yes it is made in Italy.
 

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Setec Astronomy said:
Sal Zaino is a mad scientist inventing sealants in his NJ lab...the address of which turned out to be the UPS Store.
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Did that actually get confirmed at some point? Always remember the Urban Legends with Zaino but never really found out how it all shook out.

Sure did have his devotees...including yours truly. Back when I thought $129 each Spring for the seasons kit was just absurd to pay for care care stuff.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
Did that actually get confirmed at some point?
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Yes, it absolutely did, the address that was on the Zaino website at the time (2005-ish) was a UPS Store (formerly Mailboxes, Etc.). I believe the address on the site now comes back to an automotive performance/aftermarket manufacturer; I guess the owner is a friend of Sal`s and lets him use it as a mailing address. At the time I was looking that up I was also able to find Sal`s home address, but I don`t think he`s manufacturing anything at his house in the suburbs. And before you guys start PM`ing me about the address, you can forget it, you can find it the same way I did.
 
For everyone`s information:

The Ammo sprayer is an Epoca Archetype model 7852.
The spray head on Griot`s is an Epoca as well, but based on what they say you shouldn`t put in it, it`s the EPDM-sealed model (model 7851), not the Viton-sealed model. For waterless wash, EPDM is plenty fine. You only need Viton if you plan on spraying something hardcore like wheel cleaner.

There`s a lot to love about Larry, but I`m not fond of his prices, and I especially don`t like that he resells/rebrands products to sell as his own with large mark-ups. I`ve seen him talk at length about his brushes and how great they are. They are bridled glue brushes from Solo. They cost a fraction of what he charges for them. They are great brushes, and I used them myself; I buy them from Solo.
 
The GG foamer came in today and the heads are the same. Took apart nozzle end on GG and the O-ring is black instead of green like AMMO unit. I assume it’s just spec’d differently.
This weekend I will mix up a batch of Frothe, N914, GG rinseless wash/wax (purple stuff) and maybe a couple others and run them through both these units alongside the Kwazar foamer. Will have a lot more pics and observations this weekend.
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fly07sti said:
The GG foamer came in today and the heads are the same. Took apart nozzle end on GG and the O-ring is black instead of green like AMMO unit. I assume it’s just spec’d differently.
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As I said, the Ammo unit is the one with the Viton seals. GG uses the model that only has regular EPDM rubber seals. There are certain chemicals you can`t use with EPDM seals that you can with Viton. For waterless washes, EPDM is fine and Viton isn`t necessary; therefore, for foaming a waterless wash, the Ammo and GG offerings should be identical in performance.
 
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