Amazing Master Detailer from UK Video - You have to see this!

You use "depth" in a different context than us. For us, depth is an optical measure, not a physical (paint thickness).



We are taking off a few microns too, because factory finishes are in between 80 and 150 microns - most of the time. So you are not able to remove hundreds of microns. Damaged factory shipments/refinishes can reach 300 microns and still qualify as brand new in Hungary though...



Does Paul use heavy filling products when he does a job w/o paint correction? I wonder how can he be satisfied with an uncorrected job...
 
Bence said:
You use "depth" in a different context than us. For us, depth is an optical measure, not a physical (paint thickness).
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My apologies. I am a marketer not a detailer. I have always referred to them as paint depth gauges, maybe because paint thickness gauges is so long and unwieldy a term. Thickness is what was meant.



Bence said:
We are taking off a few microns too, because factory finishes are in between 80 and 150 microns - most of the time. So you are not able to remove hundreds of microns.
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I never said that you weren't removing a few microns. I just said Paul could remove a very small number (1-2) at a time. However, removing a few hundred is possible... as I found out with T-cut in my youth when accidentally removing a scratch. Seeing the undercoat proved that. The point is that it was suggested the paint was going to get very thin on exotica Paul works on. This just isn't a problem in real life asd he can machine polish a car up to 10 times before the paint gets worryingly thin.



Bence said:
Does Paul use heavy filling products when he does a job w/o paint correction? I wonder how can he be satisfied with an uncorrected job...
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No, he doesn't use filling products, but I imagine wax will invariably fill some small scratches in the paint and make it appear 'smoother'.



Some cars do not need paint correction, so he can be satisfied with merely detailing these. Once paint corrected, swirlmarks can be kept at bay with correct maintenance by the client. As for customers with swirlmarked cars who don't want the paint corrected, they are simply paying for Paul's time. If they merely want the car detailed, he does this and they are happy, how can he be unsatisfied? He would love to make every panel of every car in the world perfect, but this just isn't always possible.



Rgds

MA
 
Thnkx for the info miracle. I have been waiting for some more info from the source. It is hard to get the everyones opion somtimes. I have used many zymol products and have to agree with the fact that they are great products regardless of price. Is there better.. i don thtink so but thats a matter of opion (just my opion folks). The one question I do have is.. i noticed on his web site that he uses both p21s gell wheel cleaner (what I use, again an awsome product) and the zymol wheel cleaner.Why does he switch between the 2, is it a price point thing? or does it just depend on how dirty and what type of wheels are used. Wel thank you for the info



-mike
 
It is cool that the miracle agent is on the site actually answering people, however some people have taken this a little too far bashing, etc. This guys does an AMAZING job detailing making the cars perfect. This does not meant there isn't anyone else who can do this as I am sure many people on this site can match him. It is just that he is exclusive with high end cars and clients and marketing. You have to give hiim credit for that, he is the top of the field and we should all respect him as being such.



P.S. I would be a HUGE detailing enthusiast if all I detailed were Enzs and Aston Ms!

P.P.S. Why do people always bring this vid up!!
 
hi guys not posted on here for a wee while



would like to say a few things about this post



for starters well done to paul for getting miracle detail to this level and this is the level that others can ony strive towards to



i have spoken to paul in the past and is very helpfull with the detailing matters and with other matter`s



on the subject of the clip that was on fith gear it would be very hard to get everything in a short clip and also the people that is involved with editting it down would not know to much about detailing and was aimed at the normal joe public



so paul if your reading this post and i`m sure you are keep up the good work mate



mike
 
P.S. I would be a HUGE detailing enthusiast if all I detailed were Enzs and Aston Ms!

P.P.S. Why do people always bring this vid up!!
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People bring it up because it is a superstimulus for the average guy.



People think that if it an Aston or Ferrari then it must be oooh & aaah because these are sooo extraordinary. These are just normal cars, with normal paints, and often they represent a lower quality/build tolerance level than for example a "generic" Japo compact. But the average man PERCEIVES the brand and therefore the product as an aural excess. Certain emotional aspects can blur the view. If you have two 1.5 sq. m pieces of sheetmetal bought for the same amount of money; what happens when you let them press into fenders? One will be a Kia Rio, the other will be a Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano. They are basically the same sheetmetal pieces, only the geometry has changed. Yet the costs are different. And you believe this??? No. Not the costs are different. The perception is different which show how emotional (and somewhere stupid) is the human race. This added perception determines a highly subjective *value*.

If you have two Golf VR6s in your garage, you technically already have a Bentley/Audi W12 engine (two VR6s on a common crank) - except the 2 turbos. But you have more because you have 2 cranks, 2 oil pans, etc. Yet you still won't feel that you have a Bentley W12.

An Enzo is a serious thing when you consider the carbonfiber work, the engine and the components. But when a one-off car, like the Glickenhaus 612 P4/5, which is based on the Enzo, can generate twice as much downforce... well, that puts the original Enzo aero concept in the shadow.



Sum up: a car can never be more than a sum of its parts. YOU can add more to it, but it always will based on your subjective perceptions. You decide if you let these factors rule your world or not.
 
It's interesting, the more "high end" cars I work on the more appreciation I have for mass produced cars. In almost *all* cases (almost) the paint on a Toyota Corolla is better than on a Ferrari 599.



Miracle Agent - good of you to post here. I always thought Miracle Detail was pretty cool - I realize a lot of Autopians are "as good" detailers, but there Paul (and obviously his crew) have positioned Miracle Detail in an excellent way via good work and solid marketing, so good for you guys. Cheers.
 
Thanks for your comments guys.



I will ask Paul about the wheel cleaner issue when I talk to him next, but I'm pretty sure P21S wheel gel is now his preference over Zymol. However, he is 'performance loyal' not 'brand loyal' and mixes and matches products depending on application, price, personal preference etc. He's pretty fussy, as you can imagine.



As Bence says, a lot of stuff is over-hyped and plays on people's emotions, but there are physical costs involved too. The mass produced metal panel for a Mazda etc. will be produced in far greater numbers than the Ferrari one, for example, and benefit from economies of scale. Because the dealer don't shift as many, but has to keep it in stock just in case (for maybe ten times as long), they have higher stocking costs so mark it up more. Only then do you have the 'Ferrari factor' added to the normal price.



Rgds

MA
 
miracle agent said:
Thanks for your comments guys.



I will ask Paul about the wheel cleaner issue when I talk to him next, but I'm pretty sure P21S wheel gel is now his preference over Zymol. However, he is 'performance loyal' not 'brand loyal' and mixes and matches products depending on application, price, personal preference etc. He's pretty fussy, as you can imagine.



As Bence says, a lot of stuff is over-hyped and plays on people's emotions, but there are physical costs involved too. The mass produced metal panel for a Mazda etc. will be produced in far greater numbers than the Ferrari one, for example, and benefit from economies of scale. Because the dealer don't shift as many, but has to keep it in stock just in case (for maybe ten times as long), they have higher stocking costs so mark it up more. Only then do you have the 'Ferrari factor' added to the normal price.



Rgds

MA
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Thank you very much, that would be great. I was also wondering (im sure I could come up with questions for days on end so will keep them to a few at a time) why Paul is not a member of any online forums. I know that people like to bash him and sometimes thats hard to take but none the less. I know i am an addicdit when it comes to detailing my car and love to read. learn, and watch detailing along with actualy doing it.



Ok last question for the night I promise. If you get the chance (sorry to take up your time as time is money) would you please ask paul if he has any advice for somene looking at becoming a zymol certified detailer. I am looking at doing it in Canada so I dont thin i will steel any business. I have fallen in love with zymol and want to pass that ont my customers. i know he has been through it and was just wondering if he had any fellow tips for the obsesive compulsive detailer



Sorry to take up all this time, but hey theres no harm in asking



Thank you

-Michael
 
Hi Calgarydetail



Paul prefers and uses P21S wheel gel; probably a mixture of performance and price.



Regarding lack of forum activity, he is a member of many forums and does read them occasionally, but he simply does not have time to become a full-time member of these communities. He is one guy, working long hours - 7 day weeks are not unusual as he hates to turn away last minute bookings from regular clients. Also, because he has a high public profile, it would be easy for people to snipe at him; having to justify everything would take a long time and some people just like to argue anyway. I have tried to help matters by explaining who he is and what he does.



Re Zymol Authorised Detailer status, Zymol in the UK are asking for a significant amount of money to trade as an authorised Zymol detailer. Paul had been authorised without charge for years but found this demand to be uneconomic and not in his interests. He has therefore withdrawn his authorised detailer status (with no ill effects to his business). There are other reasons why he is happy to scale down his association and involvement with Zymol, some of them are personal, some professional (products, trade relationship etc.).



So Paul would advise detailers to ensure it is in THEIR interests to become an authorised Zymol detailer as he has found that it is not in his. Don't do it 'just because' other detailers do it. Do it because it works for you and your business. Remember, Zymol has some good products and some amazing publicity (a significant amount worldwide created by myself and Paul in 2007) but if you are charged for authorised status it becomes an economic decision. There are other products out there, many of which Paul have found to be equal or better to their Zymol equivalents, in his opinion.



Regards

MA
 
miracle agent said:
Hi Calgarydetail



Paul prefers and uses P21S wheel gel; probably a mixture of performance and price.



Regarding lack of forum activity, he is a member of many forums and does read them occasionally, but he simply does not have time to become a full-time member of these communities. He is one guy, working long hours - 7 day weeks are not unusual as he hates to turn away last minute bookings from regular clients. Also, because he has a high public profile, it would be easy for people to snipe at him; having to justify everything would take a long time and some people just like to argue anyway. I have tried to help matters by explaining who he is and what he does.



Re Zymol Authorised Detailer status, Zymol in the UK are asking for a significant amount of money to trade as an authorised Zymol detailer. Paul had been authorised without charge for years but found this demand to be uneconomic and not in his interests. He has therefore withdrawn his authorised detailer status (with no ill effects to his business). There are other reasons why he is happy to scale down his association and involvement with Zymol, some of them are personal, some professional (products, trade relationship etc.).



So Paul would advise detailers to ensure it is in THEIR interests to become an authorised Zymol detailer as he has found that it is not in his. Don't do it 'just because' other detailers do it. Do it because it works for you and your business. Remember, Zymol has some good products and some amazing publicity (a significant amount worldwide created by myself and Paul in 2007) but if you are charged for authorised status it becomes an economic decision. There are other products out there, many of which Paul have found to be equal or better to their Zymol equivalents, in his opinion.



Regards

MA
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Thank you, that info is great. Please thank Paul for me



-Michael
 
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