Amazing Master Detailer from UK Video - You have to see this!

I would imagine that if they re-filled them forever, it would be a pricey investment, but worthwhile if you detail profesionally!



Thanks for the input, though. I found his website and learned more about his products, methods, and cars.



And yes, one could probably do just as good of job, for cheaper. I just thought it was cool he was charging 10 large for premium details, and people were paying it!
 
It's probably just the video, but it seems like this guy polishes with every wash. The paint on these zillion dollar supercars is extremely thin - especially when you get into carbon fiber body panels. If I were him, I'd try to be more careful with the wash in the first place so that I would minimize the need for polishing.



Of course, we all make our judgment based completely off the video - and for all we know, fifth gear could have misrepresented the guy.
 
paul34 said:
It's probably just the video, but it seems like this guy polishes with every wash. The paint on these zillion dollar supercars is extremely thin - especially when you get into carbon fiber body panels. If I were him, I'd try to be more careful with the wash in the first place so that I would minimize the need for polishing.



Of course, we all make our judgment based completely off the video - and for all we know, fifth gear could have misrepresented the guy.

If he's getting all of that clientele and can afford the wax, I'm willing to bet that he at least has some idea as to what he's doing :)
 
I finally watched the whole video for the first time this evening, and I will offer this comparison.



I worked for years as a part-time tennis teaching pro at a nearby racquet club. Through that experience, I met other pros from other areas, and ran into a few pros who have the kind of gig that this deatailer in the UK has.



There are some teaching pros who work in an area that is heavily populated by well-to-do customers. These people will pay almost anything for something like a tennis lesson, or a top-line detail, if they percieve that it is the best.



This deatailer has worked himself into that position, and is reaping the benefits.



Is his detailing better than many of the Autopians here? Is the tennis lesson from the "name pro" better than a lot of other quality teaching pros?



No to both questions.



IMHO, I didn't see anything special, other than the "mystique" of applying the Zymol Royale by hand (hey, you gotta have a "hook").



He made a big issue of every step; I had to chuckle when he hauled out the clay, which looked to be Sonus green, a staple of a lot of us on this forum.



It's probably nice to get to work on the cars that he does. However, there are many here who can match that kind of work in a heartbeat. I couldn't begin to list them all, because I would forget some.



Just my couple of cents.



PS-Thanks, PC, for your "taste" comments. If they ever make a wax that tastes like rum, or India Pale Ale, I could be in trouble ; )
 
[quote name='Hey, Moe!']

He made a big issue of every step; I had to chuckle when he hauled out the clay, which looked to be Sonus green, a staple of a lot of us on this forum.

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Its acutally Zymol Clay. Whether Sonus and Zymol use the same manufacture is another story.



I dont know why people bash him so much. (Im not directing this to anyone specifically) First off the video is 5 minutes long. If you actually go to his website some of his details takes 3 days or longer. So the video really cant be representing him well. I saw his before and after pics. It looks like what a lot of post here. But then again its photos, how do we know what the detail did to the cars in real life.



Cut the guy some slack, he loves detailing, he's detailing very high end exotics and built a reputation. Why bash his success? :nervous: So this means Ferrari, Rolex, and ALL other luxury companies should be bashed as well? (Flame suit on! :) )
 
I agree. Brilliant marketing and expensive wax has made his life sweet. Plus, people wouldn't continue to pay 7,000 a detail if it ended up looking like crap. He is using the right tools and product, so he obviously has some experience..



I have a lot of resepect from him... You can't judge a detailer by a 5 minute video for consumer television... they couldn't be factual, it has to be good for TV. What I would want to hear from the dude wouldn't be good TV.
 
Frugle said:
I agree. Brilliant marketing and expensive wax has made his life sweet. Plus, people wouldn't continue to pay 7,000 a detail if it ended up looking like crap. He is using the right tools and product, so he obviously has some experience..



I have a lot of resepect from him... You can't judge a detailer by a 5 minute video for consumer television... they couldn't be factual, it has to be good for TV. What I would want to hear from the dude wouldn't be good TV.



Another thing, the paint meter he is using is an ultra sonic made to read fiberglass, plastic, carbon fiber painted surfaces...goes for about 2g's usd. The guy has poored a lot of money into his operation.



Actually since Im about to graduate with my Marketing Degree, that detailer is my hero :)
 
Hes, he does know how to make money, I must admit. And, he would likely be a success in other chosen careers, as well. It would be interesting to hear how he got into all of this, and to be a spectator on one of his details.
 
There was a good write up on this bloke in Top Gear Magazine.



Seems a really genuine bloke who loves what he does. As for his prices, like all good businessmen, he charges what the market will bear.
 
Now, here's the problem with his pricing though. The stuff he's using isn't special at all except for his Royale wax, and he could EASILY halve the price of the detail. However, since his customers are apparently gullible and will pay for a ungodly 100 step detail, he's buffing all the way to the bank :)
 
He has ALL the estate glazes from Zymol that quickly adds up to about to about 10g's right there. That's just the wax. Add up all the money for the equipment and tools, van and other products etc. I means he is autopian as all of us but has made it successful with his operation allowing him to command a price like that! Once again I commend him!
 
01bluecls said:
[quote name='Hey, Moe!']

He made a big issue of every step; I had to chuckle when he hauled out the clay, which looked to be Sonus green, a staple of a lot of us on this forum.

QUOTE]



Its acutally Zymol Clay. Whether Sonus and Zymol use the same manufacture is another story.



I dont know why people bash him so much. (Im not directing this to anyone specifically) First off the video is 5 minutes long. If you actually go to his website some of his details takes 3 days or longer. So the video really cant be representing him well. I saw his before and after pics. It looks like what a lot of post here. But then again its photos, how do we know what the detail did to the cars in real life.



Cut the guy some slack, he loves detailing, he's detailing very high end exotics and built a reputation. Why bash his success? :nervous: So this means Ferrari, Rolex, and ALL other luxury companies should be bashed as well? (Flame suit on! :) )



I don't think many will bash his success, just his claims and procedure is all.
 
If you were working on the same vehicles he is ALL OF THE TIME, and for customers like his, tell me you wouldn't charge the same prices. Plus, he comes to you, not the other way around.
 
This guy is my hero. I've seen a lot of click & brags where some of you have done some really nice work on really nice cars, but this guy does nothing but the best. Yes, there are lots of Autopians who could do just as good of work for less money, but why would you want to? :goodjob
 
Hi guys



I chip in now and again for Paul as his marketing and PR guy to help put things in context. Time prevents me from being a more fully-fledged member of this community, so apologies if most of you have never heard from me before.



Anyway, a few points of (possible) enlightenment!



- Melting carnauba... as is pointed out, raw carnauba itself can't be melted in the hand. It isn't very precisely worded, it is meant to imply that the carnauba wax blend 'melts' in the hand... warmth certainly softens the mixture, but this is probably to do with the oils/glycerine etc. in the product more than the wax itself.



- Eating Zymol... I am not sure I would eat a wax like Zymol, knowing what I know about wax manufacturing in general. It may contain edible substances like carnauba, but you don't know the other elements to the manufacturing process. Remember that extraction of carnauba wax from the carnauba palm may also involve some pretty exciting techniques.



- Cost of Zymol Royale... you do, as long as this stands, get free refills for life. The pricing reflects exclusivity, packaging, branding and marketing more than the raw material cost of the wax. Remember, you can tell the time cheaper than with a Rolex. In my personal opinion, there are many products which may approach the performance of Royale at a lower cost. I am not sure that Zymol would even dispute this, like Rolex probably don't claim their watches are the most accurate timepieces in the universe. You are paying for something 'more'. If you are a pro detailer, you may not wish to pay for this added something.



- Fifth Gear video... I mentioned this on another thread, but this video of Paul in action was repackaged, reformulated and re-edited for a mass TV audience, not for a panel of pro-detailers. It had the effect of bringing detailing to people that didn't even know it existed. Do you think the '£200' detail would get the press excited? The TV shoot took a day, not the two weeks that a Pinnacle Miracle Detail would take. Two buckets weren't used because the car was clinically clean anyway and a mass audience would be unlikely to pick up on the one bucket/two bucket technique.



- Over-polishing. Paul only polishes cars when it is necessary and when the paint depth allows him to do so. A lot of his customers do ask for paint correction to remove swrilmarks etc but this isn't done every couple of weeks on a car. Also, Paul can measure before/after paint depths. His techniques and products allow him to take only a few microns off, rather than hundreds at a time.



- Cost of Pinnacle Detail. Most of Paul's details cost about £300-500 without paint correction, £600-900 with, over 1 or 2 days. The Pinnacle was an extreme showcase of his potential services, taking up to two weeks. He could do a 'half-Pinnacle' for £2400 but then this wouldn't be the pinnacle, would it? Paul's hourly rate is £75 per hour, and this includes all material and capital costs, including paint depth gauges, Mercedes van, Zymol Royale etc. Volkswagen dealers over here charge upwards of £80 per hour for an oil/filter service, so he's not too much of a 'rip-off' or 'snake oil merchant'. If he does the Pinnacle in half a day and the car looks rubbish, please tell me and I'll stop marketing him in the way that I do :)



- Top Gear article? Not sure he has had any more than a cursory mention in Top Gear magazine. If he has, please tell me. He has had features in Autocar and Auto Express though, as you can see on the press page at Miracle Detail



Finally, many thanks for your comments, good and bad. I even learn stuff from the criticsm. The main point is that although Paul may have competitors in the detailing business, even at his level, we wanted to bring detailing to the masses and show that washing cars isn't just a Sunday morning chore. Also, swirlmarks, contrary to popular belief don't come with cars as standard! We still have some education to do.



All the best,

MA
 
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