A few good maintenence details

BillNorth

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Well, I ABC'd my car last night. I followed the directions to the tee. My observations:



The "A" product is supposed to remove old wax and sealants and bird dropping, and water spots etc. Well after I applied it, I thought my old blitz apps were a thing of the past. The paint didn't feel as slick, but it did feel smoother, like I clayed it. And water no longer beaded. On the areas where I had the rust specs in the paint, I applied it twice to ensure nothing would prevent the "B" product from doing it's job.



The "B" product was supposed to remove industrial fallout, ferrous particles(ie the rust coloured specs). Well, it didn't. I used it three times on the affected areas. I stopped because I was afraid too much would harm my paint.



So I moved on the "C" product, which is your standard car wash. It lathered well. It did it's job with no problems.



Now on to today. I was just outside SMR'ing. As I was working the product in to the surface, I could see these things that looked like eraser bits. You know when you take a white eraser and rub it against paper, it leaves some shavings behind on the paper that you have to blow away. Well, the same thing happenned when I was applying my smr. I came to the conclusion that those eraser like bits were actually old wax. When picked one of them up and squeezed it in between my fingers, it melted intantly. This also happenned on the trunk as well where I applied the "A" product twice.



What did I do wrong? I've read about so many people having great success with the ABC system. I followed the instructios exactly. I mixed the products at the proper ratio. I used seperate sponges for A, B, and C. I used seperate buckets for A, and C. I did it in the garage.



And to top it all off, the SMR hasn't made a dent in my swirls. After multiple apps, the swirls look almost the same. I've only done a section of the hood and a section of the trunk so far. Used foam, back and forth, in the garage, charismas to buff.



How can this product do wonders on a heavily swirled 88 cutlass, but on a 2001 silver alero, with light swirls, it does nothing?



Oh well, I'm just going to move on to my AIO and SG. I'll have to worry about the swirls next summer. the weather here is starting to turn cold.



I dunno, maybe I'm just a detailing misfit. :(



Thanks for reading.
 
I just Aio'd the hood. The areas where I didn't SMR did not produce any eraser like bits on the paint like the SMR did. Do I have a bad bottle of SMR? Or is the AIO not as abrasive, thus it's not cleaning the wax off as well? It can't be the latter because when I took the car into the sun, the swirls were reduced. AIO puts SMR to shame for swilr removal. At leasy in my case. There is a very, very faint haze that I could notice, but it's definately not a big deal. It looks like I'll be throwing out my test results from the old car.



I dunno what to make of this. I'm going to apply my second coat od AIo right now. Let's, see if the swirls are reduced any further. I'll report back.
 
Did you allow your 3M polish to freeze?



The tiny bits may be the 3M polish being worked into the surface. The polish may have gummed up.



If the AIO works for you, keep on it. If not, get a more agressive product like 3M Perfect It II Fine Cut or just get a PC. Sounds like the AIO is working for you now.



Kepp us posted



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My guess is that you have a bad batch of SMR or smething dodnt work in the ABC system, AIO claens wax off very nicely for me but i dont get any wax balls, because i think the wax layer is to thin to creae thick erazer "stuff" like you described it. I would re-do the ABC. The stuff isnt really gonna harm your paint too easilty. RonK, who works for AutoInt, said that this stuff is being used by dealership guys with less experience and can get distractd easily. So using the product as instructed and letting it sit the length, (or even more) the packaging sais to is fine.
 
I just applied another 2 coats of AIO. Holy, what a difference! It seems that the swirls are less and less noticable. The areas where I previously put the SMR are less sirly with the AIO over top, then the areas with just AIO. The SMR did do something, but it took 5 apps of the product to get barely noticeable results.



I'll continue on. I'll report back later.



Jason, Brad, thank you for your responses. I think I may just have bad SMR.
 
Is the "Meguiars SMR" that you guys are referring to also known as Meguiar's No. 9 Swirl Remover? Just want to double-check before I get some from CMA. (That fall discount ends Sunday!)



-- Ed
 
Bill,



Just a comment on the SMR... I was also pretty diappointed the first time I used SMR. I did it by hand on a black Sebring with light / moderate swirls. After 4 hours of hand-cramping exertion, I noticed barely any difference. I had made several passes on each area.



However, it's a whole different ballgame with a PC. I used SMR with the PC and made 1-2 passes over each area. I was absolutely amazed. My wife, who is completely dumbfounded and who could care less about my detailing obsession, was even impressed with the difference.



I Would say that it's no contest; it would take a loooooong time to get the 4000 passes by hand the the PC can do in one minute :)



Josh
 
<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Ed [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Is the "Meguiars SMR" that you guys are referring to also known as Meguiar's No. 9 Swirl Remover? Just want to double-check before I get some from CMA. (That fall discount ends Sunday!)

-- Ed [/b]</blockquote>
Ed,

I think they're talking about the 3M Swirl Mark Remover (for light or dark cars), not Meguiars #9.

Here's the CMA link for it:
http://www.properautocare.com/3mperswirmar.html

Oh, and thanks for the reminder that I need to place an order before the discount ends!!

Josh
 
I applied 3 coats of AIO on the hood, roof and trunk, and 1 layer everywhere else. The car looks very good. The swirls are much less noticeable. I'm very impressed with AIO. I think the problem with my SMR is that it's a bad bottle. The SMR for dark cars that I also have dosen't exibit the same problem. I'll know for sure when I do the bimmer next week.



I won't know until tomorrow how well the AIO truly worked. When I checked half an hour ago, the sun was not as strong. It may not have exposed all the remaining swirls. I'll let you know for sure tomorrow.



All I have left is the 3 coats of SG, spaced 24hrs apart, which I'll start on tomorrow.



Josh, DK, thanks for sharing your experiences with me.



Right now I can't afford a PC, so my arm is all I've got. Hopefully next summer I'll buy one.



Until tomorrow.
 
<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by BillNorth [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Right now I can't afford a PC, so my arm is all I've got. [/b]</blockquote>Keep it up, and we'll have to start calling you "PopeyeNorth".

Hmmm, maybe I should start eating spinach before detailing sessions . . .

:D
 
Is it possible that the swirl removing properties of the AIO that you are seeing are actually filling agents, similar to the way Z-5 seems to fill in swirls? I know that KSG is the stuff that actually fills in some swirls, but maybe AIO also has some filling agents? Just a guess really.



BTW, did the AIO have any effect on the tiny rust spots?
 
At first I thought the AIO was filling like Z5. But then I remembered AIO has cleaning properties. Each time you apply AIO, it cleans the previous application. As for the rust spots, the AIO barely made a dent in them. I think I didn't apply it properly. Live and learn I guess. The rear bumber is the only part that is really bad. It's very bumpy. I clayed it a couple of months ago, and the rust spots came back worse. So I know clay won't solve the problem. I may re ABC the bumber again. Next time I'll let the product sit longer. That may have been my initial misgiving.



As for the popeye arms, I already have them. ;)
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by BillNorth [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Right now I can't afford a PC, so my arm is all I've got.
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Hey Bill,

I have no PC either, and I've found that Perfect-It II Fine-Cut Rubbing Compound (39002) is not nearly as aggressive as I thought it would be. I have used SMR (39009) in the past, and the fine cut gets out swilrs in one pass that would take 2 or 3 passes of SMR.

And it works pretty easily by hand. You might want to give it a shot, I haven't used the SMR since I picked up the fine cut. I experienced no hazing on wither of my dark cars with either product, and used the fine cut to remove the marring left by some wet sanding I did to a touch-up spot.

Only other thing I might contribute is that I've also found the SMR to be straky, gotta wash after using it. last time I worked on swirls I actually used a tip I heard somewhere here: work them out, then wipe the area with a 50-50 mixture of IPA and distilled water. You'll see what's really left in the clearcoat that way.

Blue Skies,
Andy
 
Thanks for the tip. I'm glad to hear from you. Your maxima is stellar. My goal is to have my cars looking like yours. Any advice you can give me is appreciated.



Thanks!
 
Here are a few cars I wash and detail weekly. It is amazing how easy a vechile is to clean up when properly maintained. Whether it be the wheels, tires or even interior. The owner of the Toyota Venza hates salt with a passion and sometimes I wash/detail his car twice a week, I think he hates salt more than Bill ( aka Luster) LOL!!

The process is the same for both cars.

1.Wash with Meguiars Gold Class Shampoo and Conditioner
2.Dry with Meguiars Water Magnet and Ultimate Quik Wax as a drying aid.
3.Clean windows with Meguiars Glass Cleaner Concentrate at 10:1.
4.Dress wheelwells and tires with Meguiars Hyperdressing at 2:1.
5.Vacumm and then wipe all interior surfaces with Meguiars Quik Interior Detailer.

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I couldn't agree more. 80% of my biz are monthly repeats. Makes it so much easier to mantain :)

Thats a sharp lookin Toyota. I don't think I've ever seen 1 of those. Great job and thanks for posting :notworthy:
 
They look great Nick! And I must correct you. NOBODY hates salt more than me!!!!!:devil:

I wish I could convince my KC customers to have me detail weekly. I'm lucky if I can get them to do it yearly!!!:biggrin:
 
Great job Nick, did you wash the toyota in the garaged?

Thanks Angelo, and yes I did wash it in the garage :)

I couldn't agree more. 80% of my biz are monthly repeats. Makes it so much easier to mantain :)

Thats a sharp lookin Toyota. I don't think I've ever seen 1 of those. Great job and thanks for posting :notworthy:

Thanks Flash. I guess the Toyota Venzas are a new model for either 09 or 10.

They look great Nick! And I must correct you. NOBODY hates salt more than me!!!!!:devil:

I wish I could convince my KC customers to have me detail weekly. I'm lucky if I can get them to do it yearly!!!:biggrin:


Thanks Bill. Seems like some folks go for the weekly or bi weekly detail while others just simply do not.
 
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