23 reasons Zaino rules --->

(19) Zaino works like a release valve according to Sal Zaino (a show-car painter

for 30+ years). It allows paint to breath (thus releasing any trapped solvents that

may be left from painting) but does not allow moisture to be let in. Sal, (as I do),

applies Zaino right out of the spray booth without any problems.
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Can someone explain that ? Wow, didn't know I've been putting Goretex all over my car. :p



Well, definitly agree with others that the prep and process are key. I use other brand names prior to Zaino, so Zaino cannot stand on it's own. I came to this forum to ask one small question about Zaino....and look what happened. My core is still Zaino. I have tried and like Klasse a lot too. Sometimes I wonder if I still love Zaino because it was my first sealant...
 
The whole discussion is fun, but kinda pointless. Again, the car either shines or it doesn't. End of story. If you used Z to get it, then it worked. If you used Kit , then it worked. Everything else is just words, and words don't shine.



Tom
 
Matt M said:
In the link, some of the things written are true, and while you may not agree with all of it, some of it, any of it...whatever....I find it interesting that many here are saying that they will never try Zaino.



Yet, these are some of the same folks that will chastise others for NOT trying a product and still making comments.



If you want to make the arguement that a product must be tried before you can comment...make sure you hold yourself to the same standard. Use it yourself, don't just see how it looks when done...try it. I have never been afraid to spend a few bucks to see if this product is the "next great thing".



Another thing I find interesting is that Zaino is constantly bombarded by those that don;t use it...it's users referred to as "zealots"....yet the product seems to remain the "standard" that everyone is shooting for. Or...they'd be comparing to another product.



I have yet to see derogatory names for those that use Meguair's, Clearkote, Klasse, etc.



I have a friend that preps new Jaguars...he keeps his Expedition looking perfect...he swears by Ardex products. As we all know, with the right prep..most products will make a nice shine.



Hey folks...I'm not taking sides...jsut some thoughts. :D
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More than thoughts, Matt. Astute, balanced observations. You are 11ty billiontrillion.6 % correct.



Zaino products and their users have been targets as long as I can remember. And that's been a long time; note the date of the document in question - it was written 4 yrs ago but people still need to dredge it up and use it as a weapon of public ridicule against others.



One thing that's pretty clear to me is, virtually every car care products mfr would love to have the massive amount of grassroots support and credibility that Zaino has. The tactics and strategies I've seen first-hand employed by product users, distributors, dealers, and competitors in the industry have been pretty darned sleazy at times. But... that's the nature of this hobby/business.



It's hard to assail the capabilities of Zaino but its much easier to attack the credibility of its users. These exact tactics have been on display right here at Autopia for over 6 months and I see no end in sight.
 
bretfraz said:
It's hard to assail the capabilities of Zaino but its much easier to attack the credibility of its users. These exact tactics have been on display right here at Autopia for over 6 months and I see no end in sight.
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Amen to that! Although I don't use ZSCP that much anymore, I'm always amazed at the amount of Zaino-bashing that goes on here at Autopia.
 
I think I have been here long enough to say that in my opinion the bashing here on Autopia is fairly even across the board. Some days it goes one way more than the other and then it comes around again.
 
Other products smell nasty?!?!? what the heck products is he smelling?!?! I have only smelled one or two products ever that didn't smell that great, and those were degreasers!!!
 
Dale DeSteno said:
Other products smell nasty?!?!? what the heck products is he smelling?!?! I have only smelled one or two products ever that didn't smell that great, and those were degreasers!!!
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Go take a nice whiff of NuFinish and let us how it smells.
 
Sheesh, I didn't mean to create such a ruckus :argue Hey, I think all the products discussed on the board are great. I like Zaino, I like Klasse, I like Pinnacle, I like 'em all, as long as they work!



How many people have seen a top 20 list for Klasse, or 3M, or Wolfgang? I sure haven't, but I've seen more than one example of people seemingly trying to justify their choice to maintain a nothing-less-than-Zaino paint finish. I just think some people need to be more open minded to different approaches and opinions, and it has been MY observations that most of these people who are so closed minded are diehard Zaino users.
 
BlackSunshine said:
Sheesh, I didn't mean to create such a ruckus :argue Hey, I think all the products discussed on the board are great. I like Zaino, I like Klasse, I like Pinnacle, I like 'em all, as long as they work!



How many people have seen a top 20 list for Klasse, or 3M, or Wolfgang? I sure haven't, but I've seen more than one example of people seemingly trying to justify their choice to maintain a nothing-less-than-Zaino paint finish. I just think some people need to be more open minded to different approaches and opinions, and it has been MY observations that most of these people who are so closed minded are diehard Zaino users.
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The problem is that people who express their preference for Zaino are personally attacked as "zealots" or worse. Ridiculing them on a public forum is not an effective way to open their minds, if that's your goal.



If we can keep the focus on product discussions - what works and why, why do people prefer one over another, what criteria people use to develop their opinions and views - things wouldn't get so ugly. Problems begin when people who are married to their opinions and views get attacked by others who seek to take them down for their own ego gratification.
 
bretfraz said:
The problem is that people who express their preference for Zaino are personally attacked as "zealots" or worse. Ridiculing them on a public forum is not an effective way to open their minds, if that's your goal.
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I hope you are not under the impression that only Zaino users are subject to that kind of treatment?



Here is how I define a Zealot. This is taken from another forum and is pretty typical of his posts in regard to any product other than Zaino.



"Never tried Autoglym but it does not compare to Zaino either. What is Autoglym? Wax, glaze or synthetic?"



He admits he has never tried Autoglym and doesn't even know what it is yet there is no way it can compare to Zaino.



This same guy told me that because I felt I was getting good results with NXT that I must not be as picky as he is.



There are Zealots for every product out there, not just Zaino. It is not fair to label a whole group for the actions of an obnoxious few. Generally I don't think that when people refer to Zaino Zealots that they are referring to all Zaino users.
 
bretfraz said:
The problem is that people who express their preference for Zaino are personally attacked as "zealots" or worse. Ridiculing them on a public forum is not an effective way to open their minds, if that's your goal.



If we can keep the focus on product discussions - what works and why, why do people prefer one over another, what criteria people use to develop their opinions and views - things wouldn't get so ugly. Problems begin when people who are married to their opinions and views get attacked by others who seek to take them down for their own ego gratification.
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I know what you mean. I remember when there were members of this forum who would accuse those that gave positive reviews of some products of secretly having a monetary interest in the company. A lot of baseless accusations were made there.



In my eyes, the term Zaino Zealot applies to people who insist that Zaino is the best product out there without listening to other opinions. We all know that it is a quality product. But it isn't as perfect as some users make it out to be.
 
Postwood said:
Re: 15. That nothing can stick to Zaino. Sheesh, someone stick a piece of scotch tape to the guys car, please.
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Actually today I couldn't tape a section with 3M blue painters tape cause it didn't glue to a Zainoed paint surface :confused:
 
bretfraz said:
The problem is that people who express their preference for Zaino are personally attacked as "zealots" or worse. Ridiculing them on a public forum is not an effective way to open their minds, if that's your goal.
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Bret-the only ones I consider to be zealots are those who put down other products to promote what they use. Most Zaino users seem to be happy using it and don't even mention other products. It is just a vocal minority who make the rest of them look bad with their constant bashing of other products. I've actually had a Zaino user post in the show and shine forum I mod on another site and his first post was ridiculing everyone who didn't use Zaino. That is the type of person who I would refer to as a zealot.
 
Scott P said:
I know what you mean. I remember when there were members of this forum who would accuse those that gave positive reviews of some products of secretly having a monetary interest in the company. A lot of baseless accusations were made there.
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I remember that as well. I was accused of being a pimp for Clearkote.
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Funny thing was, when I made postive comments about S100, it was just fine. Oh well, I have never been completely beholden to one single product line, even when I mostly used Meguiars.
 
Matt M said:
...........I find it interesting that many here are saying that they will never try Zaino.......
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I'm turned off from using Zaino because of the ridiculous claims made by many (not all) users. When folks say a product is good, then you are interested in trying it. When they say its the best ever, ridicule you for using anything else and make claims that it can do things like hide deep scratches etc (and many claims in the article that started this thread), then you back away.



To the Zaino Zealots, Z is the answer to every detailing problem. This is not so frequent here, but is so on other boards. There is a thread over on the ls1 board where a guy is complaining about the Meguiars QD smearing everywhere. The answer by many is that he should be using the Zaino QD!
 
* I * think that Zanio is a good product, but then so is NXT, Klasse, Autoglym, UPP, at al , once I figured out how to apply Zanio it gave as good a result as many others



The article is both amusing (why would any one be so fanatical, it’s only car wax!) and frightening in so far as the misinformation and contradictions (people on this board know better, but it may persuade others).



I have to tell you my favourite- (19) Zaino works like a release valve according to Sal Zaino (a show-car painter for 30+ years). It allows paint to breath (thus releasing any trapped solvents that may be left from painting) but does not allow moisture to be let in. Sal, (as I do), applies Zaino right out of the spray booth without any problems.



But if that’s what they like to use then as Mike P states ““Find a product you like and use it often� MPhillips





Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/



justadumbarchitect *so I question everything*
 
TOGWT said:
I have to tell you my favourite- (19) Zaino works like a release valve according to Sal Zaino (a show-car painter for 30+ years). It allows paint to breath (thus releasing any trapped solvents that may be left from painting) but does not allow moisture to be let in. Sal, (as I do), applies Zaino right out of the spray booth without any problems.
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Yeah, the way this one is worded sounds really zealot-like, but is it unreasonable to think Zaino is body-shop safe? I'm not making any claims about whether or not it is body-shop safe......but I don't think it's that much of a stretch. After all, as a retired custom painter, Sal initially developed this product to be used on vehicles he worked on.



I applied Z-2 a few days after I had some body-work done with no problems (at least, not yet).



BTW, Klasse AIO is also purported to be body-shop safe.



Sigh...not easy to talk about Zaino while walking on egg-shells. :)
 
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