22PLE ... any experience with it?

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Guitarist302008

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I had no idea about the stuff until I went on the forums pro section and saw it. It says the appearance is very glassy which is what i'm after. Has anyone used it or seen it or anything?
 
Looking to try it very soon actually. The owner of the company is a really nice guy. Gonna put it up to OC & Finest to see how it holds up....
 
glassier/glossier than OC

easier to apply

cost is about the same

great projected durability

literally forms a glass barrier

= awesome product and I sell whenever people ask!
 
I have a question concerning these kind of coatings (OC, 22PLE, etc).



Since I live in Canada, Quebec ... and we have the beautiful winter season approximately 4-5 months / years, it's difficult to keep a car defect free (see impossible especially because of the snow broom).



Do you think it could still be possible to apply a coating even without removing all the swirls/defects?

Do you see any problem about proceeding that way?



Let me know your thoughts please.

Thanks in advance!

:)
 
resek said:
I have a question concerning these kind of coatings (OC, 22PLE, etc).



Since I live in Canada, Quebec ... and we have the beautiful winter season approximately 4-5 months / years, it's difficult to keep a car defect free (see impossible especially because of the snow broom).



Do you think it could still be possible to apply a coating even without removing all the swirls/defects?

Do you see any problem about proceeding that way?



Let me know your thoughts please.

Thanks in advance!

:)
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You can certainly apply the coatings without correcting the paint, but the problem is that any defects are going to be locked under it until the coating either wears off or you abrasively remove it.
 
David Fermani said:
Looking to try it very soon actually. The owner of the company is a really nice guy. Gonna put it up to OC & Finest to see how it holds up....
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That's cool man, i'm going to give it a shot as well.
 
Guitarist302008 said:
I had no idea about the stuff until I went on the forums pro section and saw it. It says the appearance is very glassy which is what i'm after. Has anyone used it or seen it or anything?
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22ple does look good (better than OC) and is easy to use. I've been comparing it to Opti-Coat Pro and CQuartz Finest for a while now and I prefer CQF in terms of looks and sheeting ability. OC seems to have it for long term durability and chemical resistance. 22ple is probably the easiest to apply in terms of not having issues, but OC is by far the fastest to apply and get out the door.



On a solid black test pan with all 3 coatings applied, it's night and day in terms if darkening and CQF is an easy sell! Down side is that CQF is only available to approved installers so 22ple would still be a good choice over OC in terms of looks as is available to the public.





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RaskyR1 said:
22ple does look good (better than OC) and is easy to use. I've been comparing it to Opti-Coat Pro and CQuartz Finest for a while now and I prefer CQF in terms of looks and sheeting ability. OC seems to have it for long term durability and chemical resistance. 22ple is probably the easiest to apply in terms of not having issues, but OC is by far the fastest to apply and get out the door.



On a solid black test pan with all 3 coatings applied, it's night and day in terms if darkening and CQF is an easy sell! Down side is that CQF is only available to approved installers so 22ple would still be a good choice over OC in terms of looks as is available to the public.





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I looked into CQF but it is sooooooooooo expensive next to all of the other coatings... 245.00 just for the little box with a warranty card? I'll pass unless someone really wanted it done.
 
Guitarist302008 said:
I looked into CQF but it is sooooooooooo expensive next to all of the other coatings... 245.00 just for the little box with a warranty card? I'll pass unless someone really wanted it done.
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I don't know where you got the $245 from but it's cost is right on par with the others, especially now that the price for OC went up 50%. Price can only be seen by authorized installers btw. ;)
 
Richard Grasa said:
You can certainly apply the coatings without correcting the paint, but the problem is that any defects are going to be locked under it until the coating either wears off or you abrasively remove it.
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Thanks Richard for your answer.



I totally understand the fact that defects would be locked under until it wears off ... but the thing is here in Quebec, there's not a big market for the TOTAL process (full correction) especially because of the winter season.

People knows no matter what, they will damage their paint once this season arrives.

That's why I was wondering if a coating could be applied without a full correction service prior the application. It would still give nice gloss + good protection as well.



What do you guys think?
 
resek said:
Thanks Richard for your answer.



I totally understand the fact that defects would be locked under until it wears off ... but the thing is here in Quebec, there's not a big market for the TOTAL process (full correction) especially because of the winter season.

People knows no matter what, they will damage their paint once this season arrives.

That's why I was wondering if a coating could be applied without a full correction service prior the application. It would still give nice gloss + good protection as well.



What do you guys think?
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It would be best to give them the choice. Some will say don't do it without a full correction first, but if the customer wants the coating and wants to leave the defects there, then I say do it. Just educate them and make sure they understand the defects will be locked in.
 
Richard Grasa said:
It would be best to give them the choice. Some will say don't do it without a full correction first, but if the customer wants the coating and wants to leave the defects there, then I say do it. Just educate them and make sure they understand the defects will be locked in.
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sounds good!

Thanks a lot for your advice, I appreciate it! :thumb:
 
Richard Grasa said:
It would be best to give them the choice. Some will say don't do it without a full correction first, but if the customer wants the coating and wants to leave the defects there, then I say do it. Just educate them and make sure they understand the defects will be locked in.
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You and your company name are then "on" that car. Damage trapped under coating. I have denied coating a car due to swirls and RIDS. I didn't want to trap them under the coating for someone else to say who did your car? For me its more of a My work is my name. A car covered in swirls is not what I want to represent me.
 
Greg Gellas said:
You and your company name are then "on" that car. Damage trapped under coating. I have denied coating a car due to swirls and RIDS. I didn't want to trap them under the coating for someone else to say who did your car? For me its more of a My work is my name. A car covered in swirls is not what I want to represent me.
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I completely understand where you're coming from. I have never coated a car myself without doing a full correction, but for some in certain markets with a certain type of customer it may be an option, although it needs to be carefully thought out.
 
Greg Gellas said:
You and your company name are then "on" that car. Damage trapped under coating. I have denied coating a car due to swirls and RIDS. I didn't want to trap them under the coating for someone else to say who did your car? For me its more of a My work is my name. A car covered in swirls is not what I want to represent me.
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This is true... hard for some though when work may not be plentiful.
 
Greg Gellas said:
You and your company name are then "on" that car. Damage trapped under coating. I have denied coating a car due to swirls and RIDS. I didn't want to trap them under the coating for someone else to say who did your car? For me its more of a My work is my name. A car covered in swirls is not what I want to represent me.
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I totally agree with you Greg ... but the difference is the Quebec's market versus yours.



People here are definitely not willing to pay for a full detail, it's kinda useless since their cars are daily drivers and they know once winter arrives, they will ruin the finish again.

Keep in mind that we have snow starting December up to April.

So the finish will see A LOT of 'snow broom' and it's going to put in swirls, etc.

FYI, it's snowing since Thursday here, so it's 4 days of 'add-o-swirls'.



I am not in the detailing business, I am only doing it on week-end for friends/family/fun, etc.

And a friend asked me about that coating and not removing the swirls/rids prior the job, that's why I wanted to ask the question here before answering him.
 
Greg Gellas said:
You and your company name are then "on" that car. Damage trapped under coating. I have denied coating a car due to swirls and RIDS. I didn't want to trap them under the coating for someone else to say who did your car? For me its more of a My work is my name. A car covered in swirls is not what I want to represent me.
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I completely agree and I have never coated a car without doing a full correction, but for certain markets and customers it may be the only option in some cases. IMO, it depends on what the customer wants and what the installer is willing to do. Someone like you definitely would not want to install the coating on a swirled surface with your type of customer base but someone who has a different type of customer, it may be a good option. Just my opinion though.
 
resek said:
I totally agree with you Greg ... but the difference is the Quebec's market versus yours.



People here are definitely not willing to pay for a full detail, it's kinda useless since their cars are daily drivers and they know once winter arrives, they will ruin the finish again.

Keep in mind that we have snow starting December up to April.

So the finish will see A LOT of 'snow broom' and it's going to put in swirls, etc.

FYI, it's snowing since Thursday here, so it's 4 days of 'add-o-swirls'.



I am not in the detailing business, I am only doing it on week-end for friends/family/fun, etc.

And a friend asked me about that coating and not removing the swirls/rids prior the job, that's why I wanted to ask the question here before answering him.
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In fairness, if you have a WRX based on your pic (which is what I have) we both know how soft and easy to chip that paint is... part of the purpose of OC is to take the punishment and not your paint, so if you had to get it polished again it would be polishing the OC and not your paint. You can also have 2 coats added to your car. Both my hood and roof I coated once and then again 3 or 4 hours later which optimum says is perfectly fine to add a little more thickness to your paint.
 
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