2018 Health and Fitness Thread

Accumulator said:
Does the Thermogenic make warming up go better?
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I tried it for the first time yesterday and loved it. I did 20 minutes on the elliptical as a warm up and felt great. I remember thinking "I`m sweating a lot....oh yeah I took C4". Then as soon as I got off the machine I felt laser focused. The thermogenic is supposed to help with fat loss.

Accumulator said:
What do you like for Creatine when you`re taking it? Are you not taking it all the time? (I`ve only cycled off it once in the last ~25years, and that didn`t last long as it *killed* my performance on Cardio.)
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This is my first time in the gym in over 5 years so I`ll need to do research when I`m ready for it. I`ve dieted and worked out in different way but this time I`m ready to be a gym rat again. I think it was just monohydrate I tried in the past.
 
RaysWAy- Sounds like the Thermogenic is working for you, that`s gotta be a boost as you get back into this stuff.

With the Creatine, I quit taking the Drink Mixes (the ones with flavors/sugar/etc. in `em) and switched to the plain Creatine Monohydrate (Optimum Nutrition brand) that we give the dogs. It`s supposedly "micronized" but you can`t prove it by how it is in suspension (gritty stuff..). Still, mixing it with a little grapejuice works just as well for me as the Drinks, which had *MUCH* more sugar and cost many times as much.
 
Im going to try creatine nitrate once im out of the creatine i have. Developed and ptented by Thermolife, who usd to make great products but is now in the business of sourcing and patenting ingredients.
 
Accumulator-

It`s interesting how anti cardio Mentzer and his disciple Marcus Reinhart are. I`d forgotten about Marcus. Guess he`s still at it, was on his website last night. I mean to tell you he is MILITANTLY anti cardio. As in don`t do any. Sure, many probably over do it for fat loss and such, but to advocate never doing any? Seems extreme to me.
 
I`ve gone to the gym 5 days out of 7 this week :D

It was rough and getting all the rust off is annoying but I`m excited to break thru that point. Today will be a rest day....my body needs it.
 
jrock645- Heh heh, anybody who dismisses Cardio loses some credibility with me. I mean..don`t all those studies, showing the same thing each time, matter?!? And my personal experiences with it are impossible to ignore.

A few weeks without cardio impacts my cardiovascular fitness. Obviously, easily quantified. So that`s bad. End of story IMO. Why allow physical downgrading if it`s avoidable?

Yeah, people sure do idolize some of those guys. Sigh...[certain comments deleted]. Mentzer got a lot of mileage out of some maybe-almost-correct verbiage (that some mistook for "genius") and/but for a student of Rand his writings are chock full of Logical Fallacies. Eh, I still learned TONS from reading his stuff and consider his input to the topic invaluable.

..As I keep saying, somebody says something interesting, research it. These days there aren`t too many genuine mysteries about this stuff, SO much as been figured out over the last few decades.

I`ll be interested to hear if the Creatine Nitrate gives you anything that the Monohydrate didn`t.

RaysWay- Gee, I *BET* you`re ready for an off day! Heh heh, five in a row is like two weeks` worth of exercise for me. Are you doing different stuff each time?
 
Accumulator said:
RaysWay- Gee, I *BET* you`re ready for an off day! Heh heh, five in a row is like two weeks` worth of exercise for me. Are you doing different stuff each time?
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I did back or "pull" workouts yesterday and after dead lifts I felt like I was running on fumes lol. So yes I`m happy today is rest day.

This first week I just wanted to hit every body part to get the rust off. Back was yesterday, legs the day before, etc etc. I`ll do 20-30 minutes of cardio to warm up first.
 
RaysWay said:
I did back or "pull" workouts yesterday and after dead lifts I felt like I was running on fumes lol. So yes I`m happy today is rest day.

This first week I just wanted to hit every body part to get the rust off. Back was yesterday, legs the day before, etc etc. I`ll do 20-30 minutes of cardio to warm up first.
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Be careful not to overdo it on deadlifts. Really easy to burn out on those
 
Easy to have all sorts of unintended consequences from Deadlifts! A guy we know (my age) just can`t stop himself from doing `em and he messes himself up every time (eventually).

I only do semi-stiff/Romanian style Deads, and only as an occasional/alternate hamstring exercise. I get the same effects by doing *incredibly light* Good Mornings, and I mean with baby-weights on the bar compared to a lot of guys. One set and my hams are SORE for days...that stretch works wonders even with minimal resistance.

Sure not knocking Deads! Just not something I do, in part because I question my form and see no need for them *in my case*. Not about to learn a complex and tricky movement at my age, though I wish I *had* maybe 30 years ago.

RaysWay- I do get the idea of whole-body for getting back into it, but !oh man! doing Legs and Back so close together is something!

Glad to hear you do the warming up. I somehow do fine with just a couple very light sets of whatever my first movement is, but IMO most people oughta do infinitely more than I do.

Heh heh, this is one of those "Do as I say, not..." posts :D
 
Hey, can we have a concensus on Chin Ups vs. Pull Ups?!? I`ve read conflicting versions of which is which since forever and generally just say "chins" and then specify what hand position I`m talking about- "Chins with a Pronated/Supinated/Neutral Grip".

I`ll try to go along with whatever we come up with, but have always thought that Chins = Palms Down and Pullups = Palms Up.

I do ~90% of mine with Down/Pronated and the others with a Neutral/parallel grip (sometimes with a pair of IronMind Rolling Thunders). I simply don`t do Up/Supinated even though there are some real pluses to that; they hurt me from my wrists to my shoulders, so No Thanks.

So which will we say is which- Chins = Palms Up or Palms Down? Pullups = ?what?

Chins with added weight (both plates and elastic bands) are *always* my first Back movement. I alternate between Body Perpendicular to floor vs. angled back at ~45°, usually one set of each,but sometimes just one or the other. Today is Back Day as soon as I log off here :D
 
Deads were always my favorite. Nothing like ripping a few hundred pounds off the floor! Simply out of the question with my back issues now, though.

And chin up for me was always palms down, pull up= palms up.

palms down for a back exercise, palms up for a great bicep exercise
 
jrock645- Ah, sounds like you and I had the same idea on the chins/pullups.

And yeah on both the value of Deads (and how some people still shouldn`t do `em) and how the Pullups are good for Bis (just don`t tear anything ;) ).

I gather the latter don`t work for me because of my degree of, of..oh what is it?...?Valgus?..and hyperpronation. I do kinda simulate the movement using a Lat Pulldown Machine and a somewhat narrow grip on a cambered/EZ bar, maybe one set monthly or so. Good "elbows forward" movement even for somebody like me who has to do it with that bar.

Q: Do you think that your prior Deadlifting contributed to your back issues? The guy I know who shouldn`t do `em but does anyhow is almost certainly in that boat. Heh heh..yeah, he`s literally ADDICTED to that "rip a load off the floor!" experience.
 
And I was serious about using "baby weights" on Good Mornings; I don`t go over 50-some pounds on an Ironmind Appolon`s Axle, but I do pretty many reps. I`m just *NOT* a really strong guy and I don`t want to come across like I think I`m some macho strongman (though I *am* pretty OK on the weighted chins).

OK, once again...enough posting, gotta do lift before that Denny`s bfast wears off!
 
I cant rule it out but I really dont think so. Other than once or twice very early on having a little soreness from high rep deadlifting when i was first learning, I cant recall ever hurting my back doing deads. Though i did tweak my backon e or twice before doing a 5x5 and learning how to squat properly. Shortly thereafter i learnes not to ever do high rep deads. Utter waste and asking for injury to do any more than 5 reps in a set of deads.

Only real lifting injury pertained to my shoulder. Had to drop presses and even back squats for a while because i couldnt handle any weight at all on my shoulder. Though that gave me the time to learn to front squat properly, and not like every idiot in the gym. Of course, they looked at me like i was the weird one.
 
jrock645- Heh heh, yeah...on the very rare occasions where I train in a gym people give me some awfully funny looks and just keep doing stuff incorrectly with the inevitable, and obvious, results.

Yeah#2, I no longer do any barbell benchpresses or barbell back squats. Seldom do Front or Zercher Squats, but will upon occasion. My squatting is really all about the Zane Leg Blaster and those Hip Belt Squats these days, easy to combine plates and bands with both of `em. That ZLB would really be the [stuff] for me if my arms were a bit longer, but it`s OK.

Oh man do I want to design/build some proper exercise equipment! Got these (IMO :o ) great ideas but no way to manifest `em. My Hip Belt Squat setup is one *very* cobbled-together, improvised, grab bag of compromises, yet works so well...if only I could optimize the ideas behind it!
 
Anybody else use a Dynamic Axial Resistance Device ("DARD") to work the Tibialis Anterior on the front side of the lower leg?

It filled that area in nicely for me, but sure did take a while; went a long time between the initial results and any subsequent visible progress, but I`m glad I kept at it. Nice to have some padding on the front of the shins.
 
Accumulator- Are you familiar with Drew Baye? Just came across him, a sort of HIT expert. Gonna do a bit of reading/watching
 
Ya know, one thing that surprises me about may HIT programs is how long they are. I mean...when I`m maxing out, I just can`t do it for long. "Do [whatever] and repeat it [however many] times"; gee, I`m sometimes *literally* lying on the floor after just a few intervals on that AirDyne, and more to the point so were the Olympic Speedskaters in Tabata`s study.

Eh, I`m sure lots of guys can run a mile at a faster pace than I can sprint across the room :o But still...to do it week after week, forever? That`d be impressive as all get out (regardless of whether it`d be a good idea).
 
Anybody here do Burpees?

I can`t do the "with pushup" version as it causes injuries, and to be honest I just don`t do `em very often, but I still think they`re a pretty good movement. IMO, if every out-of-shape person just did a few minutes of Burpees every few days they`d be better off.
 
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