2018 Health and Fitness Thread

At one point, I was doing the PT almost every morning before work. It’s a bit much for my back at times, so I’ve cut down on it. I do it a couple times a week these days. Usually I’ll do it and the elliptical OR swim. And basically that comes down to if there’s an open lane in the pool when I get to the gym and if I have time to wait or not. It’s my backup workout for when I can’t swim. Should get back to doing it a bit more often, just not every day. Day off work today so I had time to do a bit of it all.
 
jrock645- Gee, it`s been *so* long since I was swimming that I`d forgotten all about the need for an open lane!

That "couple times week" sounds more sensible to me, but then you know how I am about the whole frequency thing..
 
...[Yesterday I posted].."sorry dogs, you`ll have to wait until tomorrow for an outing"..though they don`t seem to care that my legs are played :o

And now it`s yesterday`s tomorrow and they`re ready to go...never mind that I sure feel that leg workout and just spent over four hours (gee, time flies whether I`m having fun or not..) picking up sticks/limbs!
 
Just bumping this so I don`t forget there *is* a 2018 version :o It appears the Mods deleted the redundant one as per my request.

While I`m posting on it...

Scheduling/etc. resulted in my wife going 3 weeks between both her Chest/Tri and Leg workouts; her progress had stalled on both and (why am I not surprised?) going that long resulted in more reps *and weight* on most sets for both. That`s with just one set of each exercise and not all that many exercises per muscle group. She went two weeks between Back/Bi/Forearm workouts, and the progress was far less significant (but at least there was some).

Same ol` same ol`....recovery matters as much as the exercise, and overtraining really *can* be an issue, it`s not merely some excuse for doing less. Well, at least not for some people.
 
Been dealing with an interesting issue of late. My sweat smells like ammonia. And I mean my workout clothes smell like you dumped a jug of window cleaner. Think I figured out the issue. The ammonia smell evidently is a byproduct of breaking down protein. My cardio sessions of late have been 30-40 minutes with HR in the 150ish range- I’ve been pushing. Diet has been good solid keto, verified by test strips. Despite that, very little progress. I backed the intensity down on the cardio today, kept HR below 140. No ammonia smell. Gonna keep it like that for a couple of weeks and see how it goes.
 
Did Keto for a solid 6 months and dropped 40lbs. Really enjoyed the diet once I got over the keto flu. Had great energy throughout the day. My cardio actually improved and I was also able to increase strength while losing body fat. Can’t go wrong with that. Anyways, the ammonia smell is actually common while on keto. Basically your body is metabolizing protein. Basically protein turns into ureic acid and because your body can’t get rid of it fast enough through the kidneys out it goes through the sweat glands. My biggest issue for me was the acetone breath. Anyways, good luck. I’ll be back in it soon.
 
jrock645- Yikes, that`s quite a drop in targeted HR ...what`s your actual HRmax? I`m not even warmed up by 150bpm and 140 is roughly where I am when doing a vigorous dog-hike (if I keep moving!)...curious why you`re doing long sessions at that level for your *cardio*.

jrock645 & usmcpab- What`s the idea behind breaking down protein being OK? Not being critical, but it all sounds utterly weird to me...I mean, I burn carbs and fat, use lean protein to build muscle, just eat tons of "balanced diet normal food" and that`s that.

Oh sheesh, the preceding sounds all critical and I don`t mean to come across that way...it`s just like, uhm...on both points you`re doing the exact opposite of what works so well for me.
 
jrock645- Yikes, that`s quite a drop in targeted HR ...what`s your actual HRmax? I`m not even warmed up by 150bpm and 140 is roughly where I am when doing a vigorous dog-hike (if I keep moving!)...curious why you`re doing long sessions at that level for your *cardio*.

jrock645 & usmcpab- What`s the idea behind breaking down protein being OK? Not being critical, but it all sounds utterly weird to me...I mean, I burn carbs and fat, use lean protein to build muscle, just eat tons of "balanced diet normal food" and that`s that.

Oh sheesh, the preceding sounds all critical and I don`t mean to come across that way...it`s just like, uhm...on both points you`re doing the exact opposite of what works so well for me.

Im certainly not saying that breaking down protein during exercise is good. Its that realization which is having me back down my trgeted HR during cardio sessions. Certainly dont want muscle wasting. Breaking down protwin is the explanation of the ammonia smell. Its new to me, but so is the brand of carsio ive been doing lately. Typically always just rode the sttionary bike at home for hitting fat loss goals and my HR was typically around 120 or so. Deapite the amount of exercise, this ammonia smell from breaking down protein, instead of fat might explain the lack of progress. Good news is I typically drink some BCAA’s during my workout so i was probably burning those much moreso than muscle protwin.
 
jrock645- OK, I just don`t get the idea behind modest-intensity cardio for anything other than warding off arterial stiffness, wouldn`t expect it to work well for something like fat loss.
 
jrock645- OK, I just don`t get the idea behind modest-intensity cardio for anything other than warding off arterial stiffness, wouldn`t expect it to work well for something like fat loss.

Actually, everything ive ever read said cardio for fat loss should either be low intensity(in relation) to HR or be HIIT. Once your HR hits about 140, its not cardio anymore, but aroebic exercise. That burns carbs instead of fat. In keto, theres no carbs to burn so youll burn protein instead.
 
Actually, everything ive ever read said cardio for fat loss should either be low intensity(in relation) to HR or be HIIT. Once your HR hits about 140, its not cardio anymore, but aroebic exercise. That burns carbs instead of fat. In keto, theres no carbs to burn so youll burn protein instead.

Check out the recent research (especially that study using identical twins); every study I`ve seen says the same thing:

Two cardiovascular benefits from "cardio":
-Improved left ventricle function (from anaerobic work ~>90% HRmax HIIT/SIT)
-Reduction/prevention of arterial stiffness (from lower intensity, in the ~75% HRmax range)

Neither has been shown to do both. (So I max out during cardio sessions and also do the sorta-demanding dog walks.)

Fat Loss:
-in some studies, moderate intensity results in lower bodyWEIGHT
-in all studies, anaerobic work results in lower bodyFAT

Eh, guess I`m an example of how "there`s nothing worse than a reformed anything" :o I used to do the "fat-burning zone" stuff too but it was minimally effective and took forever. At 58, and exercising less, I do better with just a few minutes at near-HRmax (which isn`t even close the "220-age" thing, a tentative hypothesis that somehow took hold despite being subsequently discredited by even the guy who came up with it). Sure is unpleasant though :(

But.... I get lots of lower intensity work in by just taking the dogs out and doing my regular chores, so I guess it`s easy for me to focus my "cardio training" on the more intensive stuff and think of everything else as "just activity".

And, eh.. I can`t really speak from personal experience with regard to significant fat loss, think the most bodyfat I`ve ever lost was maybe 8lbs or so and that was in the early `90s. People who lose [big number]pounds and keep it off have my respect no matter how they do it.
 
Thoughts on bodyfat%...

-First time I got mine tested I had a visible sixpack and thought I was nice and lean, but it was 11%
-When I got below (IIRC) 5-6% I looked decidedly unhealthy and felt lousy
-Guys in magazines/etc. who supposedly have [minimal %] bodyfat look *infinitely* fatter than I do at those levels

I only had mine tested using calipers, but the same tech got within 1% of the Immersion Method when my wife got tested both ways. (Uh-oh..maybe testing women is *that* different?) I finally quit having it done after dozens of sessions (at $10 per), just as I quit getting on the scale; now I just go by visual cues and how I feel.
 
It’s a tricky thing for me. I had good results with low/moderate intensity stationary bike and losing fat but it gets really boring after doing it day after day. The bike sits in my living room unused at this point as I’m just burnt out on it anymore.

As I’ve mentioned, the HIIT on the elliptical is a bit hard on the back and is guaranteed to knock me out of alignment. Sprinting is also out, due to impact. The stationary bikes at the gym don’t look well suited for HIIT, so not sure what other option I have.

The high(er) intensity cardio at 30-40 minutes on the elliptical gets the HR up to 150 or so... I actually enjoy, and it’s good conditioning but probably not great for fat loss.

Its ts a bit of a conundrum.

I feel like I’m getting in better “shape” from a conditioning standpoint but that’s not yielding much aesthetically and def not on the scale. Torso looks a light bit tighter but my biggest problem area has always been my love handles- I was about 9% in high school and still had love handles. Just can’t get rid of them.
 
jrock645- I gather I didn`t give offense yesterday..I`d been wondering about how I came across and..Oh Boy can I sound like a know-it-all windbag :o

My wife and I were discussing this last night...back when I did longer/less intense sessions on the StairMaster I got my HR up to about 160 or so. Tough enough that I worked up a good sweat and felt I`d done a good workout, easy enough that I didn`t mind/dread it. So I really do know where you`re coming from...But that simply wasn`t the right thing for me to do and as I got older I had to quit doing ineffective stuff.

Speaking of "not the right..", I`d sure avoid anything that messes you up! I can`t run sprints or jog much so I simply gave up on that stuff and now I play to my strengths, namely stuff that`s really hard but doesn`t injure me. Like, I can have some fun on an elliptical, but eh..not a real workout for me anyhow so I`d rather take the dogs for a hike in steep terrain.

Anyhoo...FWIW I`d see about doing the HIIT on the bike; they used adjustable-resistance stationary bikes in the original Tabata study, adjusting the resistance so the trainees could barely maintain ~85rpms during the work intervals and they`d end the session if the rpms dropped below 80.

BUT...yes indeed, the burnout/aversion factor! The only exercise that`s really effective is what you`ll keep doing.

BI do think that if you really, REALLY spike your HR you oughta get good fat burning for a long time, MUCH longer than if you did less demanding work (which burns more during the excercise, but quits doing it shortly thereafter).

(Eh, I wish I`d archived the studies that convinced me instead of just reading them. I`d really like to back up what I`m sayin` with some hard data. You can find them..eventually...by reading all the stuff on the websites for Clarence Bass, Dick Winnett, and uhm...Mercola, but from those you still gotta go find the actual studies and pore through the data..heap big research project.)

Heh heh...repeat my advice to ignore the scale ;) and keep doing the ~150 bpm work to keep your arteries OK. Just figure out a way to do harder work for the fat burning.

I`ve had what I considered "loose skin" in that Love Handle area since I was a kid, so I sympathize. I made progress (finally) by working my obliques hard/frequently enough to keep them slightly overtrained. You know how "spot reduction is a myth?", well...note those scare-quotes. Recent advances in being able to track stuff on the cellular level implies differently, and perhaps it`s just coincidental but ever since I figured out good exercises for my Obliques and started doing them more often, I`ve tightened up that area quite nicely, guess it wasn`t all just loose skin after all! The oblique work is the only time I do really high reps, and it took a few months to be able to do many at all as the effective exercises were (?are?) very difficult for me. I`d been doing [crap] like side-bends or improper trunk-twists forever, but never realized they weren`t effective, thought I just wasn`t working hard enough.

EDIT: I`m assuming your diet is relatively good...trying to out-exercise a poor diet is a losing proposition long-term.
 
Diet has been very on point for the past month or so. Strict keto, didn’t have a real cheat meal until earlier this week. Intake has been minimal- obviously calories still matter in keto.

All told, I’ve lost 2lbs. All told, I’m probably only about 8-10lbs from where I’m really trying to get to. The last few are always the toughest to lose, right?

Ultimately, I feel good. Definitely feel my body making the keto switch. Less inflammation, calmer stomach, steady energy and sleep patterns and I feel good in the gym, plus little hunger and no food cravings.

I tell myself to just keep chipping away at it.
 
jrock645- I was reading a bit on the Keto diet recently (mostly at Mercola Fitness) if only to better understand where you`re coming from.

What`s your targeted rate of fat loss? I think in terms of around 1lb./month but I gather most want to lose faster than that.
 
More than a lb a month, for sure. 8months to lose 8lbs - just as an example- doesn’t sound like a real winning formula to me. I don’t have a real firm number in mind, but the lack of progress is frustrating.

Did some work at the gym today- 20 minutes incline walking, calisthenics routine, around 20 total sets for legs, and 40 minutes on the elliptical.

Been skipping the bcaa’s during my workouts this week and keeping the heart rate down a bit- ammonia smell is much less. Still present a bit, but I wonder if some of that is residual in my workout clothes- some smells like that never really wash out.

Tried a sensory deprivation/float tank last Monday. Was interesting. Same place offers IR sauna, going back tomorrow after my chiropractor appointment to try that out and see what’s different about it and a regular sauna, which I use after my workout almost every trip to the gym.
 
I joined LA Fitness yesterday and worked out in a gym for the first time in....a long time. Felt great. Normally when I join the gym I`m in bad shape and its a rough start, this time at least I`m in mobile detailing shape so I feel like I have a headstart. Officially joining this thread :)
 
I joined LA Fitness yesterday and worked out in a gym for the first time in....a long time. Felt great. Normally when I join the gym I`m in bad shape and its a rough start, this time at least I`m in mobile detailing shape so I feel like I have a headstart. Officially joining this thread :)

Good to have you along Ray!
 
RaysWay- Hey, good to see you posting here!

Hope you like the LA Fitness, I bet that satisfaction with the gym (the whole experience of it) can factor in.

jrock645- Eh, you and I just approach some of this stuff differently :D I expect to see visible progress maybe every four months or so... very gradually.

I think of my "progress" in the sense of "by next year I`ll be dialed-in and by 2020 I`ll be in top shape for my 60th". That`s is, BTW, my actual gameplan- I figure it at about 5lbs. bodyfat max that I might lose over about 22 months, but it won`t really be an even 0.25/mo. Doing that without losing muscle or compromising my performance will be challenging enough for Yours Truly!

20 sets for legs?!? Yikes, last time I did both upper and lower legs on the same day I did...let`s see...maybe 8 sets total, got so sore I couldn`t do cardio for five days (par for the course after doing upper legs anyhow), took nearly three weeks before I was ready to do quads/hams again.

Did you ever notice any benefit from taking BCAAs? I tried them back in the `90s with zero discernible benefit, then quit taking them with zero discernible effect. Total waste of my money, but some folks swear by `em.
 
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