1Z polishes...

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I would like to hear from a very experienced user(s) the comparison of 1Z polishes (IP, HGP, FF) to Menzerna's PG, SIP, 106ff... I'm very disappointed with SIPs performance in higher heat/humidity (seems like humidity is what kills it) and I've heard quite a few times that 1Z performs much better in such situations with same or better results. I would like an unbiased opinion from someone who has tried both products quite a few times and has a good opinion.



I would also like to know where 1Zs polishes stand on the aggressiveness scale from 1-10?



Thanks
 
lecchilo said:
I would like to hear from a very experienced user(s) the comparison of 1Z polishes (IP, HGP, FF) to Menzerna's PG, SIP, 106ff... I'm very disappointed with SIPs performance in higher heat/humidity (seems like humidity is what kills it) and I've heard quite a few times that 1Z performs much better in such situations with same or better results. I would like an unbiased opinion from someone who has tried both products quite a few times and has a good opinion.



I would also like to know where 1Zs polishes stand on the aggressiveness scale from 1-10?



Thanks
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The only one I can comment on is the 1Z Pro Line High Gloss. It's very easy to use as long as you follow the directions to the letter. It also does leave a very good gloss, has good swirl/holo correction abilites, and works well on hard paints. However, it *does not* work well on soft paints. At all.



It's also very DA friendly.



106FF works *much* better on soft paints than the High Gloss does. And 106 isn't known for being that great on soft paints, if that gives you any idea of how poorly HG does on soft paints. One caveat on the soft paint statement: this was only with a rotary. I don't know how it would do on soft paint with a DA.
 
I have used 1Z Intensiv Polish with a foamed wool pad via rotary. As long as you keep the rpm's under 1100-1200, it will finish out very good, has a average work time and is the easiest, most user friendly polish I've ever tried with a rotary. Cut is around the SIP-IP level, but like everything else - depends on pad, paint, weather, operator....etc etc
 
I can't compare 1Z to Menzerna as I haven't used the latter. As for aggressiveness:



The 1Z Pasta Intensiv is pretty aggressive stuff....not M105-aggressive, but still quite potent.



The 1Z HG seems to act milder for me than it does for SuperBee364 but it will do minor correction (hard clear).



Both seem user-friendly to me, but don't use too much product or too high a speed.



Oh, maybe I can offer a 1Z/106FF comparison after all! I used the 1Z HG on a vehicle that had previously been done by a *good* pro using 106FF- it was still in just-done condition when I decided to redo it. The 1Z HG removed some of the "returning holgrams" that the 106FF left, but not all of them (just too mild when used by Cyclo).



The big surprise was that the 1Z HG left what was, *to my eyes* a noticably better finish than the 106FF. I thought it looked fine after the 106FF, but I was floored by how much better it looked after I redid it with the 1Z. Of course this is two different guys, using two different products, and he use the rotary/PC while I used the rotary/Cyclo...so there are a few variables in the mix.



Sorry I can't help with the heat/humidity question :nixweiss
 
Yep, I can attest this. I did a melted butter Nighthawk Black Honda CR-V and the HGP marred the hell out of it. But it wasn't the fault of the 1Z, because even PO85RE5, 106FF, M80, Scholl S40 and even AIO marred it. On a 100 ppi finessing pad.



Other than truly soft paints, it works excellent. Same with the Pasta Intensiv - it is one my all time fave compounds. Working on this Honda it was the product with the best wipe-off characteristics. Easy, zero residue, rich finish. This trio is highly recommended.
 
Sounds good enough to give them a try... I'll try and get some in within a week and start comparing stuff. My main issue is humidity cuz in Chicago during the summer it's 80-90%+ daily and I don't have an insulated garage, so it gets only a little cooler.
 
I live in a high humidity area, and Ive used both lines. I still love the Menz, but it just doesn't work outdoors in the hot sultry summer. IP and HG work well here. IP has suprisingly good cut, but can dust alot if not careful. I also find IP much more DA friendly then SIP. Regardless of what people say here, SIP takes alot time to break down by DA, and I only use 4" pads with the ceramiclear polishs. HG doesn't finish as well as FPII imo, I wouldn't buy it again over FPII.



Personally, Id advocate each of the polishes, you can never have too many polishes.
 
grease said:
I live in a high humidity area, and Ive used both lines. I still love the Menz, but it just doesn't work outdoors in the hot sultry summer. IP and HG work well here. IP has suprisingly good cut, but can dust alot if not careful. I also find IP much more DA friendly then SIP. Regardless of what people say here, SIP takes alot time to break down by DA, and I only use 4" pads with the ceramiclear polishs. HG doesn't finish as well as FPII imo, I wouldn't buy it again over FPII.



Personally, Id advocate each of the polishes, you can never have too many polishes.
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Gotcha. Over the years I've tried quite a few polishes and simply narrowed it down to Meg's and Menzerna... they worked great for me and I had a variety to choose from as far as cut, finish, etc. goes.... now it's a simple matter of finding something, if there's anything, better than what I've found to work best so far, you know what I mean?



1Z has been mentioned over and over and I couldn't overlook such statements as less dusting, more work time, etc. so figured I'd give them a shot.



One thing I have yet to do is mix Optimum Polish in with a compound like M105, but since I hated using Optimum polishes when I tried them, I never got around to a sample again... I'll probably get a sample soon and give it a shot
 
lecchilo said:
Gotcha. Over the years I've tried quite a few polishes and simply narrowed it down to Meg's and Menzerna... they worked great for me and I had a variety to choose from as far as cut, finish, etc. goes.... now it's a simple matter of finding something, if there's anything, better than what I've found to work best so far, you know what I mean?



1Z has been mentioned over and over and I couldn't overlook such statements as less dusting, more work time, etc. so figured I'd give them a shot.



One thing I have yet to do is mix Optimum Polish in with a compound like M105, but since I hated using Optimum polishes when I tried them, I never got around to a sample again... I'll probably get a sample soon and give it a shot
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I like the 1Z pro line, they just generally don't fit into my regimen. but they certainly make good polishes.

In fact, most of the brands make quality polishes now imho. #86 is overlooked, the new Wolfgang polishes are nice from the samples Ive tried, and the Menz are always quality.

It's really hard on the ol' pocketbook... well not Menz's/etc pocketbook. :)
 
grease since you have used 1z,#86 and wolfgang how would you rate them against each other as far as cut,finish,dusting ect?
 
99blackSE said:
Bence did you notice any filling from the 1Z stuff?
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I noticed a little filling with the HG, but its easily removed with ipa 50:50. Honestly, I noticed it being pretty similar to fpII. I still havent used HG in enough different circumstances to say truthfully tho.





Mixxer. Ive used #86 3 times, all on new model Ford Expeditions. It has good cut, a little more then 1Z IP, and it didnt dust at all. I havent used any of these polishes on the same paint, tho, so its hard to say until then. 1Z HG finishs very nicely, but Im use to working with fpII/106ff and love them, so i seldomly reach for the HG...sorry.



Side note. Be careful with the 1Z bottles...maybe I got a bad batch, but both of my bottles split at the seams...
 
grease said:
I like the 1Z pro line, they just generally don't fit into my regimen. but they certainly make good polishes.

In fact, most of the brands make quality polishes now imho. #86 is overlooked, the new Wolfgang polishes are nice from the samples Ive tried, and the Menz are always quality.

It's really hard on the ol' pocketbook... well not Menz's/etc pocketbook. :)
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What is #86, Solo?



I've been using Power Gloss for moderate to highly swirled cars and M105 more recently for just horrible finishes. I placed an order from ads.com for some M95 to compare to 105 as well... I just wish there was ONE manufacturer making 10 polishes and improving them monthly haha... there's just wayyyyy too much stuff to try out :shocked
 
Brad, as they are wax based, they can fill a little but it is not intentional. They are very easy to work with and a simple wipedown shows everything. In most cases there is very little if any change or dropback.
 
I just used some 1z IP with a 4" orange pad on my UDM and it took out all of the swirls on my test panel. There was just some very, very, deep swirls and scratches that wouldn't come out but I didn't try another pass. There was almost no dust but the working time seemed very short. I only did one up and down pass and one right to left pass but it got the all the swirls out so I can't complain.
 
I have 1z HGP and just cant get on with it :(



I have tried everything suggested here, but the stuff is a pain to remove... I use 900 rpm, tried working it a short/med/long time and it is always a PITA to try and get off, like it is smearing all the time :( Even tried a bit more speed and that hasnt helped. I'm sure it must be me, but so far I have decided to give up...
 
Similar was my experience with 106FF. It was oily, smeary, nearly impossible to wipe off. On the same spot, the HGP came off like an LSP. Dunno what can be your problem Damon. Have you tried to shake the bottle and use only 2-4 pea sized drops?
 
When I used too much 1Z HG I had the removal issues; using less product solved the problem.



Bence- Are you saying the Pasta Intensiv and HighGloss are waxed based? I knew that the consumer line Ultra/Paint/Metallic were, but didn't think it about the PI and HG.



I didn't notice any filling with the HG, but I probably had probably already done so much of the corrrection that it wasn't a factor anyhow.



Wonder if I'd see an improvement if I followed the HG with an additional burnishing step using Menzerna FPII :think: I can imagine that with softer paints, but with hard clears the HG/Cyclo/finishing pad seems almost functionally nonabrasive and I wonder if a milder product would be worth doing. And if it *is* worth doing, is the FPII so much milder than my old Pro-line MP that I oughta switch?



Heh heh, I'm starting to think about my usual advice to others: if you're happy with what you're doing now, don't succumb to the Autopian temptation to try something else :o
 
Accumulator said:
When I used too much 1Z HG I had the removal issues; using less product solved the problem.



Bence- Are you saying the Pasta Intensiv and HighGloss are waxed based? I knew that the consumer line Ultra/Paint/Metallic were, but didn't think it about the PI and HG.



I didn't notice any filling with the HG, but I probably had probably already done so much of the corrrection that it wasn't a factor anyhow.



Wonder if I'd see an improvement if I followed the HG with an additional burnishing step using Menzerna FPII :think: I can imagine that with softer paints, but with hard clears the HG/Cyclo/finishing pad seems almost functionally nonabrasive and I wonder if a milder product would be worth doing. And if it *is* worth doing, is the FPII so much milder than my old Pro-line MP that I oughta switch?



Heh heh, I'm starting to think about my usual advice to others: if you're happy with what you're doing now, don't succumb to the Autopian temptation to try something else :o
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Same here, Accumulator. And the amount needed will change quite a bit depending on pad choice, temp/humidity, and clear coat softness. If you're using slow RPM's, then there is a very god chance reducing the amount of polish you're using will elliminate the hard-to-remove problem.
 
Accumulator, AFAIK the Pasta Intensive is wax and silicone free, my HGP says on the bottle "waxpolish medium", and the Wax Finish O.S. and the Pro series black bottle Metallic Polish & Wax is also wax based - the latter is also contains silicone. The importer said that they are wax based, but I think I'll ask 1Z directly.
 
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