1Z polishes...

Bence- Interesting! If you contact 1Z directly I'd like to hear what they say.



Oh, also interesting about the HG being labeled "Wax Polish Medium"..FWIW I recently used their Wax Polish Soft (do they even still make that stuff?) after the HG but before my (wax style) LSP. I hadn't used the WPS for a while and was pleasantly surprised what a nice glaze-like product it is.
 
thanks guys - might be one thing I havent tried to change enough :think:



really want this to work as the idea of <1000rpm is very appealing. Will test it further very soon ;)
 
I have had pretty good luck with the 1Z polishes. I too like the look more than Menzerna, but the IP can dust like there is no tomorrow.



and yes the bottles are THIN! I am used to being able to throw my Meguiar's bottles around, but you have to be a bit more careful with these
 
Damon, the correct amounts and speed are absolutely key when using 1Z polishes and compounds. If you apply them via a DA, you can be more liberal with the dosage, but on a rotary, use almost as little as you'd use with Optimum.



Although I've worked Pasta Intensiv at 1500 successfully, I'd recommend the 800-1200 range, focusing on the magical 1000 RPM.
 
Bence said:
Damon, the correct amounts and speed are absolutely key when using 1Z polishes and compounds. If you apply them via a DA, you can be more liberal with the dosage, but on a rotary, use almost as little as you'd use with Optimum.



Although I've worked Pasta Intensiv at 1500 successfully, I'd recommend the 800-1200 range, focusing on the magical 1000 RPM.
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thanks my friend :2thumbs:



I'm sure I read a post when I got it saying they used twice as much as with the menz polishes, and I am sure that has influenced me and I've been using too much. I tried working and working it, up to 1200rpm or so, but it just wouldnt wipe off :lol:



now I know - a couple of little drops :woot2:
 
Question for Bence or anyone else with experience with Iz HGP and IP and that is are the polishes watery and/or thin?? I have both and they seem very watery especially the HGP. Just wondering as this is my first time with them and just wanted to make sure I didn't get a bad batch.
 
Gemini, the 1Z polishes have generally more watery consistency than say Menzerna or Scholl, but I wouldn't say they are *very* watery. And yes, just as mr.ikon said, IP is runnier tha HGP.
 
I was planning on ordering some 1Z Intensive Paste for my 02 NBP RSX with my PC since it's been quite neglected over the past year. I'm just wondering if this is a bad idea since Honda has super soft paint and any type of marring will show fairly easy? I was planning on following it up with PO85RD and Poli-Seal. If I don't go this route, maybe Poorboy's SSR2.5? I know I've had good success with it, but it dusts like no tomorrow. Unfortunately my Optimum Polish and PC isn't cutting it for the types of defects on my car.
 
JohnnyDaJackal- I'm just guessing, but yeah...the Pasta Intensiv has enough initial bite that it might not be a good idea for really soft paint, even if you have a lot of marring. There's a world of products in between OP and Pasta Intensiv, even something like High Temp Heavy Cut might be a better choice.
 
Accumulator has right Johnny, but don't forget that OP can be fine tuned with the appropriate pads. OP with an smaller diameter orange pad on speed 6 on a DA is effective on NHB.
 
Accumulator said:
JohnnyDaJackal- I'm just guessing, but yeah...the Pasta Intensiv has enough initial bite that it might not be a good idea for really soft paint, even if you have a lot of marring. There's a world of products in between OP and Pasta Intensiv, even something like High Temp Heavy Cut might be a better choice.
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Bence said:
Accumulator has right Johnny, but don't forget that OP can be fine tuned with the appropriate pads. OP with an smaller diameter orange pad on speed 6 on a DA is effective on NHB.
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Thats what I was thinking, any other recommendations for my application? Accumulator does HT Heavy Cut dust bad and work well with the PC? Looking to order something this week. Bence I've used OP with yellow and it wasn't quite cutting it. I'm sure smaller diameters would improve, but I'd rather not invest in pads/backing plate.
 
Johnny NBP can be challenging because of its softness. In fact I was correcting a CR-V with stupidly soft NBP. The main task was finishing not correction. Basically everything was able to correct it, but even the finest finishing polishes marred it.



The 1Z IP has worked extremely good on it - it gave nice finish in the shade, but obviously it was too aggressive to finish with. However, if you work the IP long enough, the final grit state will be so fine that it will leave only minor holograms which are basically easy to clean up. That doesn't mean that a normal routine will work on NBP. If it is a harder example you *will* be sucessful, but if it's the buttery version, well, that's a major PITA.



Poli Seal generally works absolutely excellent on this finish, so I'd try that route first. I'm using only HTEC from HT, but it is a great product.
 
JohnnyDaJackal said:
Accumulator does HT Heavy Cut dust bad and work well with the PC? Looking to order something this week..
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Sorry, this'll sound nutty but I can't really say if the HT HC dusts much :nixweiss I'm so used to 3M's PI-III line and the consumer version of 1Z stuff (both of which dust something *awful*) that most products' dusting doesn't even register to me.



The HT stuff *will* dust more than OP though, most everything I've ever used does.



Both the Heavy Cut and their Extreme Cut are a lot more gentle than 1Z Pasta Intensiv...maybe too gentle for you :think: I'd hate to steer you towards something too mild so:



If Bence says the Pasta Intensiv is OK for use on your paint, I'd take his word for it. I've only used it a few times and I was so :eek: at its initial cut that I keep recommending that people err on the side of caution with it. Bence knows a lot more about it than I do, so whenever he and I offer differing opinions, I'd go by what *he* says. I kinda think that most people oughta have Pasta Intensiv on hand anyhow, yeah, it's that good.



But *don't* press down hard with the Pasta Intensiv during the first few moments (and/or when using it by hand); it has that "liquid sandpaper" feel and I marred some hard GM clear with it something awful (by hand, applying with a soft MF too!) and it was a huge PIA to get those scratches out. User-error *can* bite you with this product.
 
Accumulator said:
Sorry, this'll sound nutty but I can't really say if the HT HC dusts much :nixweiss I'm so used to 3M's PI-III line and the consumer version of 1Z stuff (both of which dust something *awful*) that most products' dusting doesn't even register to me.



The HT stuff *will* dust more than OP though, most everything I've ever used does.



Both the Heavy Cut and their Extreme Cut are a lot more gentle than 1Z Pasta Intensiv...maybe too gentle for you :think: I'd hate to steer you towards something too mild so:



If Bence says the Pasta Intensiv is OK for use on your paint, I'd take his word for it. I've only used it a few times and I was so :eek: at its initial cut that I keep recommending that people err on the side of caution with it. Bence knows a lot more about it than I do, so whenever he and I offer differing opinions, I'd go by what *he* says. I kinda think that most people oughta have Pasta Intensiv on hand anyhow, yeah, it's that good.



But *don't* press down hard with the Pasta Intensiv during the first few moments (and/or when using it by hand); it has that "liquid sandpaper" feel and I marred some hard GM clear with it something awful (by hand, applying with a soft MF too!) and it was a huge PIA to get those scratches out. User-error *can* bite you with this product.
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Thanks for the response.



I was looking at EC, but I'm not sure how effective it will be on some of my defects. I wish I could remember the one I sampled either HC or EC a couple years ago :doh

Whichever one it was I remember it wasn't touching anything on my mom's car when I was using it with my PC, so I'd rather have something a bit more aggressive since I'm using my PC. I'm quite sure between my OP, PO85RD and Poli-Seal I'd be OK in dealing with the remaing marring produced from Pasta Intensiv. I think I'll just order it and be done with it.



I got a sample from 1Z for Pasta Intensiv unfortunately it's a little small, but maybe tomorrow I'll test it on a section of my hood to see how I like it.
 
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