1991 Acura NSX Clean Up

BlackSunshine said:
I just think it's funny that someone is trying to defend the NSX period. If the NSX's performance spoke for itself, like the C5/C6, it wouldn't need to be defended.
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:rolleyes: yeah the nsx is SUCH crap



edit: gmblack3a, the only concession i will give to you is that it is probably likely that you could drive the wheels off of anything, and perhaps outdrive the instructor by a big margin. you could give me a mclaren f1 and i could set a slower lap time than someone in a civic, you know what i mean?
 
hadboosttroy said:
:rolleyes: yeah the nsx is SUCH crap



edit: gmblack3a, the only concession i will give to you is that it is probably likely that you could drive the wheels off of anything, and perhaps outdrive the instructor by a big margin. you could give me a mclaren f1 and i could set a slower lap time than someone in a civic, you know what i mean?
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Did anybody say the NSX was crap?



I don't believe so.



And gmblack3a's results are the norm, not the exception.
 
hadboosttroy said:
:rolleyes: yeah the nsx is SUCH crap



edit: gmblack3a, the only concession i will give to you is that it is probably likely that you could drive the wheels off of anything, and perhaps outdrive the instructor by a big margin. you could give me a mclaren f1 and i could set a slower lap time than someone in a civic, you know what i mean?
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When did I say the NSX was "crap"? Thanks for helping me prove my point, though.
 
tailwind said:
Did anybody say the NSX was crap?



I don't believe so.



And gmblack3a's results are the norm, not the exception.
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yeah, blacksunshine pretty much did by his statements. norm not exception, well i guess we can debate this all day long but i really don't feel like it! we can all like what we want, personally i think we should either lock this thread or have all of our posts deleted that weren't referring to the detail, myself included of course :)
 
hadboosttroy said:
yeah, blacksunshine pretty much did by his statements. norm not exception, well i guess we can debate this all day long but i really don't feel like it! we can all like what we want, personally i think we should either lock this thread or have all of our posts deleted that weren't referring to the detail, myself included of course :)
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No, he didn't.



And you're right in the fact that it can be debated all day, but one side will always be correct, and it's not yours.
 
Never even ridden in one. Huh, I guess your an expert. Have you even seen one in person?



That crap about a buddy of mine was on a track with his Z06 and there was an NSX there, blah, blah, blah. Racing at the track is all about the drivers experience, not as much about the car.



Want proof of this. Check out the video below. This is from a stock 98 NSX. Oh no, look out for the big bad Z06, it might get rear ended. Again, I post this because I assume the driver of the Z06 has little experience compared to the NSX driver. Exprienced drivers in both cars, would there be a different outcome? Maybe



NSX vs Z06
 
Seriously, this argument is getting childish. We have shown video proof of professional drivers racing around a track and an NSX keeping up or beating cars that a Vette would have some work cut out to keep up with.



I just find it funny that because some people are so loyal to their country that anything produced in their country must be superior. I know that no one has outright admitted it but let me tell you, its OK for the asians to spend more on development and have something to show for it. No I am not asian either.



I offered lots of proof and so far the vette guys can only give me their opinions and what they have seen. You can say anything you want but show me some sources to base this on.
 
LucentTeg said:
Seriously, this argument is getting childish. I have shown video proof of professional drivers racing around a track and an NSX keeping up or beating cars that a Vette would have some work cut out to keep up with.



I just find it funny that because some people are so loyal to their country that anything produced in their country must be superior. I know that no one has outright admitted it but let me tell you, its OK for the asians to spend more on development and have something to show for it. No I am not asian either.



I offered lots of proof and so far the vette guys can only give me their opinions and what they have seen. You can say anything you want but show me some sources to base this on.
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:chill:



LOL, since when does this argument have anything to do with what country something is built in? Give me a break, dude, sounds like you have your own issues there. I would take a new BMW M6 over any Corvette, any day, and last time I checked, those weren't built in America. My favorite car of all time is the MKIV Supra TT. Built in America? Didn't think so. I can give plenty of credit where credit is due, and Acura gets credit for building an advanced car in 1991. I give Chevrolet credit for continually upgrading the Corvette, making it better every year, often times significantly. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with "being loyal" to my country.



I also don't feel the need to show ANY sources for anything, because all that matters to me is what I like, not what anyone else likes or feels is better. I'm not trying to prove anything, just stating my opinion, and in my case, my experiences with what my Z06 will run. I just so happen to like the Corvette better than the NSX. The fact that it's faster is just icing on the cake :chuckle:
 
^^ Like I said, I like Bimmers and that too, I have no problem with american cars.



The Corvette being upgraded constantly until it finally can take the NSX is not very impressive. A 20 year old car beating cars half its age, a little more impressive.



Still waiting on sources to back your info up with.



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So now you are saying its all about what we like. What was the point of any of this then. Not trying to prove anything, I think your previous posts were all about proving the vette as better.
 
LucentTeg said:
^^ Like I said, I like Bimmers and that too, I have no problem with american cars.



The Corvette being upgraded constantly until it finally can take the NSX is not very impressive. A 20 year old car beating cars half its age, a little more impressive.



Still waiting on sources to back your info up with.
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My sources are from my own driving experiences. I have driven plenty of high end cars, and an NSX is one of them, albeit only around town. I was not impressed with anything but the transmission and fit and finish. I could personally care less what an expert driver can eek out of each car on a track, in full race garb, etc. Although I still believe the odds are highly in the Z06's favor around ANY kind of track, what matters more to me, and 95% of the buying public, is what the car does in daily driving situations, so your "sources" that show timed trial runs in a highly competitive, professional setting don't mean much to me, at all. How many times could that exact same result be replicated?



And since your omnipotent video there shows an NSX getting around the track faster than a Corvette that day, it must be the be-all end-all of comparisons between the two, right? For every time an NSX was faster around a track, I'm sure there was at least another time a Z06 was faster, and guess which one of the two cars is still being built today? You can read back in the thread a few posts for your "sources" from a first hand account between the two. I personally don't care enough to go searching for videos on the internet to try to prove a point.



I don't care to argue with you, or anyone else for that matter, about the subject any longer. I have stated a few times now that I think the NSX is a cool car... nothing more, nothing less. I would personally never consider owning one.



Mods, my apologies :bolt
 
LucentTeg said:
Seriously, this argument is getting childish. We have shown video proof of professional drivers racing around a track and an NSX keeping up or beating cars that a Vette would have some work cut out to keep up with.



I just find it funny that because some people are so loyal to their country that anything produced in their country must be superior. I know that no one has outright admitted it but let me tell you, its OK for the asians to spend more on development and have something to show for it. No I am not asian either.



I offered lots of proof and so far the vette guys can only give me their opinions and what they have seen. You can say anything you want but show me some sources to base this on.
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IMO all you should was a bunch of honda factory drivers, notice how all the drivers of the other cars wore closed face helmets and the NSX-r driver wore an open face?



Loyal to my country? Yes, but not really to its cars so much.



Wife drives a 99 740il and my beater is a 91 acura legend coupe.



You know for a fact that the vette would have a hard time keeping up with those cars, no you do not as it was not there. Just like your boys on the show from England, nobody is going to watch the video if you bring a ringer into the fray.



I'm still waiting for time from any NSX from the ring in Germany.



04 Z06 7:56

06 Z06 7:43



http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showpost.php?p=939436&postcount=1



I guess they would rather keep it on the home turf in a controlled race.
 
The NSX-R has done 7:56 at Nurburgring. There is a video also. But I guess you will have some other excuse or reason to say the NSX isn't as fast as the C5 Z06.
 
Here are the facts and some other interesting bits:



7:42.90 160.207 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, specially prepared car, driver Jan Magnussen

7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05, chief engineer Dave Hill

7:56.73 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, unknown japanese driver

7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, manufacturer’s test driver Dave Hill

8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)

8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05)

8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition (sport auto 09/2003)

8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)

8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)



8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)

8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 PS/1381 kg (sport auto 07/01)

8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)

9:09 --- 135.802 km/h -- VW Golf V6 4Motion, 204 PS/1455 kg (sport auto 01/02)



For us automotive journalists, these data tell a lot. If the times are so close, and the difference are so narrow (in some cases fully negligible) that means one thing:

The car which has the smaller brakes, smaller tires, smaller displacement, lower power & torque figures ultimately wins the efficiency battle, because it is utilizing its resources way better. Or say, the car that has big engine/tires/brakes etc., and does a very comparable lap time (all variables included), is a weaker one, because it should produce significantly higher performance numbers according to its resources.



Honda has developed a very smart chart, the Milky Way chart, that helps to position the performance characteristics of any given high performance vehicle. The Honda NSX was used as a benchmark for the development of more than a few legendary sports cars - including the all-conquering McLaren F1 GTR, and more lately the Ford GT (transmission, drivetrain).
 
caz-nsx said:
The NSX-R has done 7:56 at Nurburgring. There is a video also. But I guess you will have some other excuse or reason to say the NSX isn't as fast as the C5 Z06.
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Not sure if you where one of the recent posters saying it was faster or not. I guess I can be happy that the 50k Z06 is as fast as the $XXX NSX-R.



What was the list price of the NSX-R? If the NSX is $89k, I'm gonna guess that the NSX-R was well over $100k Its gonna cost some major cash to drop 250lbs of weight. :idea



Thanks Bence for posting those times.



But the stock NSX only did a 8:33. :furious:
 
I think it's correct to compare the NSX-R to the Z06, both are the factory performance versions. Try to go out and buy the Z06 that did 7:42, highly modified.



So the base NSX did it in 8:33. You failed to point out the base C5 at 8:40. I am willing to point out that it was an auto.



I think its funny how it has been shown that lap times are very equal you fall back to price. Just because the performance is similar now the vette is better because it's cheaper.



FWIW the NSXs MSRP in 1991 was around $64k.
 
caz-nsx said:
I think it's correct to compare the NSX-R to the Z06, both are the factory performance versions. Try to go out and buy the Z06 that did 7:42, highly modified.



So the base NSX did it in 8:33. You failed to point out the base C5 at 8:40. I am willing to point out that it was an auto.



I think its funny how it has been shown that lap times are very equal you fall back to price. Just because the performance is similar now the vette is better because it's cheaper.



FWIW the NSXs MSRP in 1991 was around $64k.
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Thats what Bences report claims, that the C6 Z06 was modified? The link I post above says nothing about that claim. MR Hill has stated that the C6 Z06 that Mags drove was a stock C6 Z06. Others started rumors.



To me the NSX-R/C5 Z06 the performance is = so if I can get that car for half of the price or less. I would take that to be the better car. JMO.



Tell me where you are gonna buy a NSX-R as only 2k of them where made. What was the price?



I think you where one of the ones in the past who said that the C5 Z06 could not hang with the base NSX on the track. I have seen this on the track myself and strongly stand behind the statement that the C5 Z06 gives the base NSX the beatdown on the track (roadcourse).



I'm also fine with the point that the base NSX is faster around a track then a auto 97 C5. I have drove one of those and there is more then just a little bit of a difference between that car and a 01 Z06.
 
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