1991 Acura NSX Clean Up

[SpoiledMan]

Take a '91 NSX and a '91 Vette(that is when the NSX came out ya know) and put them on the track. Even comparing the '01 NSX against the Vette the ONLY argument you have is price. Yeah, the Vette wins the drag race by a little. Yes the Vette is more buildable but the last time I checked the engine also has twice the displacement.



I still hold my position and even provided a link to a video that SHOWS that the NSX holds its own to cars costing much more and having more HP that still fall short.



Tailwind, have you driven any of the cars mentioned?

 

[SpoiledMan]

Been there done that. 01 Z06-3 NSX-0



Put the NSX on the same track for 24 hours. The track was not a straight line, The ZR-1 did have to turn.

Lemme guess. An oval? Yeah, that shows balance.

 

[caz-nsx]

I would like to know which of you NSX haters (that may be harsh) has actually driven an NSX. When I was looking for a sports car, back in 02, I drove two C5 vettes (coupe and convertible) and a couple Boxsters. The Corvette had great torque and power, but felt large and un-attached. The NSX has less power, but when you get into corners you feel like you are part of the car. The Corvette just didn't feel special to me. I'm also one that belives that a true sports car must have the engine behind the driver.



When I was in the market you could get a early 90s NSX for the same coin as a late 90s C5. Compare my potential resale to what I would have had if I had bought the C5. My NSX is probably still worth ~$32k, most likely to stay stable or slightly increase since it has been discountinued. What does the 97-99 C5 coupe go for now, hi teens?



On a side note I test drove a Noble earlier this summer as a possible upgrade to the NSX. The Noble goes for around $80k. The entire time I was driving the Noble I kept thinking that I wish my NSX had the same insane power. I decided to keep the NSX because the extra power is not really usable on the street and the comfort and refinement of the NSX beats the Noble hands down. The Noble is a kit car no matter how they try to market it here in the US.



I am proud of the fact that people argue about this car and that car versus the NSX. Since the NSX was designed nearly 20 years ago and is still even being compared to todays cars is an achievement. I can't wait to see the new version.

 

[LucentTeg]

^^ The man knows what he is talking about. If you haven't driven an NSX drive one!



I can agree that the corvette will beat it straight line but what use is a car if it only goes straight. Finally, with the C6 chevy understands that a car is not good enough if it only goes straight.



I have a video that took the NSX as one of the top handling cars in the world, the automotive reviewer is very respected as I am sure many of you know the Top Gear series. The Corvette was not mentioned in this video that takes the "Cream" of all impressive handling cars. If you want to see for yourself, download BBC Top Gear - Best Handlign Car Test



"For sheer grip, my complaint sheet adds up to nothing! Infact you know something, I like it so much I am going to do another lap" Jeremy Clarkson about the NSX



I tried to find a video link, this is the best I could do VIDEO



If your interested side by side compare of 1991 NSX to 1991 Corvette to the 1995 Corvette Comparison



1991 NSX 270hp/3010lb. = 11.15lb/hp

1991 Corvette 245hp/3300lb. = 13.47lb/hp

1995 Corvette 300hp/3266lb. = 10.89lb/hp

1997 Corvette 345hp/3218lb. = 9.33lb/hp

1997 NSX 290hp/3069lb. = 10.58lb/hp



Those numbers really prove nothing, but it shows how close the power to weight is.

 

[gmblack3]

I would like to know which of you NSX haters (that may be harsh) has actually driven an NSX. When I was looking for a sports car, back in 02, I drove two C5 vettes (coupe and convertible) and a couple Boxsters. The Corvette had great torque and power, but felt large and un-attached. The NSX has less power, but when you get into corners you feel like you are part of the car. The Corvette just didn't feel special to me. I'm also one that belives that a true sports car must have the engine behind the driver.



When I was in the market you could get a early 90s NSX for the same coin as a late 90s C5. Compare my potential resale to what I would have had if I had bought the C5. My NSX is probably still worth ~$32k, most likely to stay stable or slightly increase since it has been discountinued. What does the 97-99 C5 coupe go for now, hi teens?



On a side note I test drove a Noble earlier this summer as a possible upgrade to the NSX. The Noble goes for around $80k. The entire time I was driving the Noble I kept thinking that I wish my NSX had the same insane power. I decided to keep the NSX because the extra power is not really usable on the street and the comfort and refinement of the NSX beats the Noble hands down. The Noble is a kit car no matter how they try to market it here in the US.



I am proud of the fact that people argue about this car and that car versus the NSX. Since the NSX was designed nearly 20 years ago and is still even being compared to todays cars is an achievement. I can't wait to see the new version.

I'm still trying to figure out what cars that are out today you or they are comparing the NSX to?



I could always say that today I could buy a used 01 Z06 for $25k and a early 90 NSX for low 30s, right? I go to the track (road course) with my NSX and get my ashe handed to me by those mean guys in the old slow 01 Z06. But I know that my car is still better, it has all that 20 year old F1 tech.



Like I have said in the past the NSX is a very nice balanced car.

 

[gmblack3]

^^ The man knows what he is talking about. If you haven't driven an NSX drive one!



I can agree that the corvette will beat it straight line but what use is a car if it only goes straight. Finally, with the C6 chevy understands that a car is not good enough if it only goes straight.



I have a video that took the NSX as one of the top handling cars in the world, the automotive reviewer is very respected as I am sure many of you know the Top Gear series. The Corvette was not mentioned in this video that takes the "Cream" of all impressive handling cars. If you want to see for yourself, download BBC Top Gear - Best Handlign Car Test



"For sheer grip, my complaint sheet adds up to nothing! Infact you know something, I like it so much I am going to do another lap" Jeremy Clarkson about the NSX



I tried to find a video link, this is the best I could do VIDEO



If your interested side by side compare of 1991 NSX to 1991 Corvette to the 1995 Corvette Comparison



1991 NSX 270hp/3010lb. = 11.15lb/hp

1991 Corvette 245hp/3300lb. = 13.47lb/hp

1995 Corvette 300hp/3266lb. = 10.89lb/hp

1997 Corvette 345hp/3218lb. = 9.33lb/hp

1997 NSX 290hp/3069lb. = 10.58lb/hp



Those numbers really prove nothing, but it shows how close the power to weight is.

Well at double the cost its got to have some kind of advantage right?



Will the new NSX be able to run with a new C6 Z06 anywhere? If it does come close what will the cost be? 2x to 3x the cost?



Those jokers at top gear are that...They like some of the british are nothing but green with envy of the US and our toys. You will never see the C6 Z06 featured on top gear, when it would place at the very top of the list, they would still try to claim that it does not handle properly.



7:44 a the ring in the C6 Z06 what will the new NSX do? What did the old one do?

 

[LucentTeg]

Well at double the cost its got to have some kind of advantage right?

Like said before, some people like to go fast straight and some like to have a car that is a pleasure through the twisties. To each his own.

Will the new NSX be able to run with a new C6 Z06 anywhere? If it does come close what will the cost be? 2x to 3x the cost?

I am sure that the NSX replacement will be able to keep up just fine, cost may be more but as proven by quality tests, japanese imports tend to rate better than domestics and in general. The phrase "You get what you pay for comes to mind"

Those jokers at top gear are that...They like some of the british are nothing but green with envy of the US and our toys. You will never see the C6 Z06 featured on top gear, when it would place at the very top of the list, they would still try to claim that it does not handle properly.

I can think of many of the European and Japanese vehicle I am green with envy about. Take the M series vehicles BMW produces. How about the Nissan Skyline, which also was featured in the best handling car episode.



About not handling properly, these reviewers are professionals. Some were/are race car drivers, I trust their opinions.

7:44 a the ring in the C6 Z06 what will the new NSX do? What did the old one do?

Not sure about old lap times, I will check on that.



It is also not fair to compare a Z06 to a base NSX. Maybe the NSX Type-R but not the base model.



20 year old F1 tech, doesn't matter, not many cars can say as much. What other cars are as aluminum intensive as the NSX. One thing about the price though, NSXs were hand built that is not a cheap task in itself. If you want to ensure high quality thoguh you can't cut corners and someone will end up paying.

 

[TGates]

What's not fair about comparing a Z06 to a "base" NSX? The fact that the Z06 cost little more than half as much brand new and can still own an NSX? This is a lame argument. Yeah, a 91 NSX and a 91 Corvette may have been a different story. The difference is that Honda or Acura or whoever decided not to change the car mechanically (significantly, anyways) in its 15 year or whatever lifespan. The Corvette got better, faster, etc. while the Acura got new headlights and misc. stuff.



I highly doubt any Corvette faithful, myself included, care less about a $90,000 Honda and I doubt the NSX faithful care about a $55,000 Corvette. Leave it at that. Either way, the NSX never has been, and with a 505hp, 3100 lb. Z06 costing $65,800 on the market now, never will be faster than a Z06, even if the new one DOES have a V-10, I bet it still won't outrun the Z06..... not to mention the Blue Devil seen lapping the Nurburgring.

 

[LucentTeg]

Comparing a model that started in 1991 to a model starting 2006 is comparing apples to oranges.

Yeah, a 91 NSX and a 91 Corvette may have been a different story.

This is the point, the NSX is an amazing car for when it came out. It remaind competitive throughout the years and now shows its age. That is why Honda discontinued it and will be returning with a new supercar that will be just as impressive as when the NSX came out in 91. End of story.

 

[gmblack3]

Comparing a model that started in 1991 to a model starting 2006 is comparing apples to oranges.







This is the point, the NSX is an amazing car for when it came out. It remaind competitive throughout the years and now shows its age. That is why Honda discontinued it and will be returning with a new supercar that will be just as impressive as when the NSX came out in 91. End of story.

I bet it will be the same car with type R on it. :lol

 

[TGates]

Comparing a model that started in 1991 to a model starting 2006 is comparing apples to oranges.







This is the point, the NSX is an amazing car for when it came out. It remaind competitive throughout the years and now shows its age. That is why Honda discontinued it and will be returning with a new supercar that will be just as impressive as when the NSX came out in 91. End of story.

Fair enough

 

[caz-nsx]

I doubt a NSX would have its *** handed to it against a C5 Z06, beat by a C6 Z06 sure. Again you are comparing my $32k 1991 NSX to a $55k C5 Z06 and $75k C6 Z06. Would I buy a new NSX for $80k, nope. Did I buy the same car (basically) three years ago for $38k, yes I did. As mentioned many times in this thread, my 1991 is about the same as a 2005, I prefer the flip up headlights BTW. So if you want to talk bang for buck I think I have a good argument. On top of that, five years from now what do you think the price of a C6 Z06 will be compared to my 91 NSX. I would bet that they both will be around $30k. I hope that you guys can at least admit to the build quality of the NSX is far above the C5 Z06, not as much so for the C6 I have heard, but time will tell.



I can't believe that no one can give a car with 270-290HP credit for keeping up with a C5 Z06 at 405HP or 450HP whatever it is? As I said, if you haven't you really should drive one sometime. I think you would be surprised.



Don't forget, all this arguing, and someone could still buy an old Neon for $5k and dump another $5k-$8k into it and give that Z06 a good run. There is always something cheaper and faster.

 

[imported_hadboosttroy]

wow this is pretty rediculous. lets put it this way, most people who like an nsx could care less about corvettes. i dont even know why we are comparing a mid engine rwd car vs a front engine rear wheel drive car in the first place. two totally different things obviously.

 

[caz-nsx]

At least we all like to wax whatever car we have. :xyxthumbs

 

[gmblack3]

I doubt a NSX would have its *** handed to it against a C5 Z06, beat by a C6 Z06 sure. Again you are comparing my $32k 1991 NSX to a $55k C5 Z06 and $75k C6 Z06. Would I buy a new NSX for $80k, nope. Did I buy the same car (basically) three years ago for $38k, yes I did. As mentioned many times in this thread, my 1991 is about the same as a 2005, I prefer the flip up headlights BTW. So if you want to talk bang for buck I think I have a good argument. On top of that, five years from now what do you think the price of a C6 Z06 will be compared to my 91 NSX. I would bet that they both will be around $30k. I hope that you guys can at least admit to the build quality of the NSX is far above the C5 Z06, not as much so for the C6 I have heard, but time will tell.



I can't believe that no one can give a car with 270-290HP credit for keeping up with a C5 Z06 at 405HP or 450HP whatever it is? As I said, if you haven't you really should drive one sometime. I think you would be surprised.



Don't forget, all this arguing, and someone could still buy an old Neon for $5k and dump another $5k-$8k into it and give that Z06 a good run. There is always something cheaper and faster.

Have you ever had your NSX on a roadcourse? Well I have had my Z06 on a roadcourse. 1 time at Road Atlanta with 2 other NSXs in B group when I had about 4 days total, I don't want to be rude, but they could not of been much slower. Maybe it was there first time there. :nixweiss



Like I stated already the manager of a major driving school in the SE has a NSX with a blower. I did not get to run head to head against him. At sebring he told me that he has many days on track. I figured that he ran a sub 2:30, he tells me that he runs a 2:34-2:35 when everything is right. Well my first time there I ran a 2:33 thats on a transponder. I did this at a viperdays event.



So if you know anyone with a NSX tell them to come to Road Atlanta on sunday the 11th of Dec, I'll be running in A group with a Silver Z06. If they whip my ashe, I stand with them in the winners circle and raise their hand and pose for pics. Heck I'll even post them here. :2thumbs:

 

[tailwind]

Man, I can only at most of the NSX fanboys in this topic. I've seen one, maybe two guys that actually know what they're talking about. Corvettes can't handle and can ONLY beat a NSX in a straight line? Give me a break. The NSX cannot keep up, period.



And nice job comparing used car prices to new car prices, comparing a BASE '91 Vette when the ZR-1 existed then (and it was still cheaper than the NSX,) among many other things. We have a man that actually owns and races a C5 Z06, and no stock NSX has ever come close to him. How much more proof do you need?



The fact of the matter is that the NSX has trouble with a base model C5. Comparing it to a Z06 (C5 or C6, it matters not) is just going to get it slaughtered. None of you seem to have any idea how capable and trackable a Corvette really is...the same tired old assumption that it's a domestic and it can only go fast in a straight line just comes bleeding out of the text I'm seeing.



It's been said many times that the NSX has an excellent chassis and is built fairly well, making it an excellent street car. For the price it costs, it should. No other car (especially a sports car) in that price range has issues in those areas. Even the significantly cheaper Corvette is built excellently and has a very solid and capable chassis. It's always top on the list of streetable cars with the bark to back it up, and that's among a ton of other advantages it has over the Honda.



Yes, the NSX was impressive in 1989. Six years later it no longer was. Today it's not even in the same league. Honda better hope the new car they're coming out with is hands down better in every single conceivable area, because the bar has been set extremely high, and at a very reasonable price.

 

[SpoiledMan]

Yeah but the question was HAVE YOU DRIVEN ONE??

 

[tailwind]

No. I have ridden in one, though. Have you?



EDIT: And the Miata is another car that gives great steering feedback in corners and is a blast to drive. Do you see the owners making excuses like that when they lose around auto-x or road courses? I have completely destroyed a Miata around a local autocross course in my nearly stock F-body with it's archaic chassis and live rear axle. It's no different than another "nice feeling" car just not standing up and delivering when the performance really matters.

 

[SpoiledMan]

Yep! '91 and '98 NSX both manuals. C4, C5(Z06 too) and C6.

 

[TGates]

I just think it's funny that someone is trying to defend the NSX period. If the NSX's performance spoke for itself, like the C5/C6, it wouldn't need to be defended.