Zymol Royal On A Vectra?

vxrmarc said:
I really cannot believe that you would think it could do the same.......



Put it this way i am not saying it wont be good.......but not in the same league!!!!



We had done extensive tests on the royale on half bonnet of partners car because once me and paul had put 4 layers on i had a bad bee in my bonnet about Zaino which i personally think is one of the best sealents around? agree? Disagree?



So i told Paul i wanted it all ripped off and done again with Zaino underneath instead of hd cleanse as i believed that with zainos reflective qualitys and royales depth and wet look it must surely be the best combination around provided i could get the royale to bond on the zaino......



So these were my results.......



We applied royale to the right hand side of the bonnet after hd cleanse and waited 6 hours and buffed and field glazed to a massive shine and at the same time we applied zaino z1 then z2pro with zfx drops to shorten cure time on the left hand side...We then waited and applied another 2 layers of zaino in the 24 slot before revealing the new bonnet.....



Scroll up and down to see difference in 2 sides......



ZAINO SIDE:

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ZYMOL ROYALE SIDE:

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The results speak for them selves......



The royale side is darker and more deep blue and look at the zymol logo on the wall....Its sharper and the products are so much more refined and zaino is supposed to give a better reflection over a carnauba wax......but not royale...nothing can touch it in these fields......



I was really surprised and a little disapointed that the zaino muted the result as i truly believed i would have a much glossier wet looking car but i didnt...



Paul agreed so we left it.....One happy customer!!!
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Sheesh!! Now THAT is an amazing difference!
 
vxrmarc said:
I really cannot believe that you would think it could do the same.......



Put it this way i am not saying it wont be good.......but not in the same league!!!!



ZAINO SIDE:

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ZYMOL ROYALE SIDE:

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The results speak for them selves......
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i examined both these photo's...over and over and over...and i guess i'll be the 1st to say that i think that comparison is a little unfair....due to the camera angle used.



it is clear that the camera position is lower to the surface on the 2nd shot than the 1st. which will no doubt leave a nicer reflection. the 1st shot is more flat to the surface and hence you get more of the objects in the hood (under the lower shelf)...



also as your eye goes up toward the flourescent lighting,, both pictures are identical.



if you convince me you used a tripod at the same height off the hood...we'll talk!!



this is absoulutely one amazing detail work....but the theory of 'diminishing returns' come to mind
 
I'll have to back Vxrmac on this one. After using both Zaino and currently having good expererience with the EGZymol waxes, and given that zaino has its own unique attributes, it would be an unfair comparison in matching the Zaino against this caliber of Zymol. The differences in reflective range, clarity and color sharpness is overwhelmingly strong with the EGZymol.



You will have to compare both products in person, however, to see the full range of results. Photos can help your perception, but the live results are what has the greatest impact.
 
steck said:
i examined both these photo's...over and over and over...and i guess i'll be the 1st to say that i think that comparison is a little unfair....due to the camera angle used.
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:nixweiss Maybe but if he says the Zymol side looks better to his eyes, the pictures don't really matter-at least to him.
 
You seem to be an avid detailer yourself by looking at your products and the fact that you'd spend money to own a Zymol shirt. Whether you're affiliated is another story, but why didn't you just do the work yourself? It's not like you were restoring a classic car to its original condition. I don't know if you ever stated how much this detail cost, but I'm sure he wasn't cheap so what was the justification on spending this kind of money on a brand new, daily driver?
 
So is that marginal difference in appearance with respect to a very controlled environment (light,section,exact camera settings I assume), is the price point of Zymol Royale (I believe $7200) worth it? Over say a bottle of Zaino that costs $15?



Then again, we're talking about a Protective product. You need to have a perfectly prepped surface! It's what your customer wants, that's the most important.



vxrmarc, Hope I'm not sounding condescending. Do you happen to know which Meter he is using? I know it's PosiTec, but not sure whether it's an old 6000 model.



Cheers
 
SilvaBimma said:
So is that marginal difference in appearance with respect to a very controlled environment (light,section,exact camera settings I assume), is the price point of Zymol Royale (I believe $7200) worth it? Over say a bottle of Zaino that costs $15?
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Again though surely the art is in the prep? Let's assume that most of us here could, given a brand new car, get the paint to what would, to most people, be excellent condition.



If we had access to a pot of Royale and only had to pay the cost of what we actually used, what would it be, $100 worth?



Some will think that too much, but as a product cost that's bearable, most of the cost of the detail is in paying the person who does it for you.
 
Guys with respect to the camera angles.....yes i fully respect the question as a touch difficut this one as yes tripod used and the bonnet on a renault clio slopes letfand right off the centres so is not easy to get a perfect shot.....



All i can say is that I wanted a FAIR comparison in my own head with my own eyes as inevitably i wanted the best look for the car regardless of the cost...



The apparent hue of the bonnet looking straight down across both halfs still gave me the same results in both halfs darker carnauba , lighter hazier sealent......Colour is my thing as i work in the print and media business and deal with colour everyday.....



My eyesight is 20/20....



Paul inevitably uses many many waxes and if he had said "look Marc" this will give a better result and its $100 i would have taken his advice"....infact i bought the Zaino kit against his advice to try to prove him wrong as he said he had done the test years ago and if it produced a better result he would have been offering it to his customers.....



The reason i used Paul aswell is simply i cannot use a pc or rotary.......



I am limited to hand prep although i am learning machine polishing!
 
Take another look at the actual reflection. The Zaino reflection is larger, appears less clear and defined. The Zymol's reflection of the shelf is sharper, appears smaller (due to a clearer perception of the distance range), and the objects on the shelf reflection are easier to see, in addition to a more vibrant color. That is the major difference in the reflection comparison example.



The color range I wager would be even wider and more vibrant with a few pics in the sun.
 
Thanks eliot......



To be honest i am in a lucky situation that the detail in the uk has gone down very well on most forums i visit as Paul is quite a private person and does not show off his work very much.....



He is so pleased with the quality of the photos i have taken and the way i have portrayed his work in respect to the step by step guide not just look at my bling car!!!



We have spoken regularly since and he has asked me if i fancy coming on a supercar detail with him and doing the same again to show his work as it is!!!



I have obviously informed him that the weekends in question for the veyron or ascari i am busy shopping with my other half...:har:



No seriously if it does happen i will get a write up over here for you all...



Sorry for my ignorance but being uk based and knowing a small amount about the usa scene who are the big players in detailing?



Are there guys with Pauls reputation over there?



I just cannot imagine anybody in Europe knowing as much about the build and makeup and technical knowhow of zymol products as much as Paul does as he has used them for years and i dont think there is a supercar on the planet that has not been done.....
 
vxrmarc said:
Guys with respect to the camera angles.....yes i fully respect the question as a touch difficut this one as yes tripod used and the bonnet on a renault clio slopes letfand right off the centres so is not easy to get a perfect shot.....
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Renault Clio? I thought is was an Astra VXR.. Did you polish away the badge :waxing:



Just Kidding.. It's a nice job, but what with the PH meters in the wash water and a paint map, I get the feeling it all went maybe a bit too far for an Astra. Which.. with the wonderful UK weather will be covered in mud and dirty rainwater by tomorrow morning ;-)
 
Yep maybe your right but a cars a car and i love my car not Rod Stewats Ferrari......



I think the thing we all aspire to is what we can afford and what it means to us and do we enjoy it?



I love detailing as much as i love to breathe and enjoy the technical side of products to see the different results produced and am now learning the rotary hence my passion!!!



I think if you put my car next to a top end car mine would hold its own with regards to reflection depth etc as well as any other (apart from bugatti which paintwork is perfect)
 
Guys we need to steer clear of the £5000 detail as this is not one....



Pauls rates are in line with most top paid skilled workers in the uk and his details are generally around the £400 to £800 mark i believe (but dont quote me)



The car is actually Vauxhall or Opels top spec Astra that has replicated the racing vxr used in the British Touring car series and driven by tom chilton......



The new series starts next week at Brands Hatch in Kent of which i will be attending!!!
 
vxrmarc said:
Guys we need to steer clear of the £5000 detail as this is not one....



Pauls rates are in line with most top paid skilled workers in the uk and his details are generally around the £400 to £800 mark i believe (but dont quote me)



The car is actually Vauxhall or Opels top spec Astra that has replicated the racing vxr used in the British Touring car series and driven by tom chilton......



The new series starts next week at Brands Hatch in Kent of which i will be attending!!!
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oh...so what's that video about? He only overcharge the rich? lol (not being sarcastic here...)

Sorry I live in US never heard of that brand...I heard of Opel tho
 
Hahahaha...



No i believe the Maserati on the video probably had a more thorough and prestigeous detail than mine did....



What i was trying to say was that Paul can cater for all aspects aswell as all brands of car in his work....



In other words he can do a full £5000 detail on mine or a £800 detail on a ferrari.....



It all depends what the customer requires and the level they want to take it to!!!!



Pauls service is absolutly bespoke and any one that meets him will tell you he really is the nicest guy you,ll ever meet and not arrogant or blaise in any shape or form....



I know for a fact that if any of my friends were in Pauls shoes they would take great delite in hinting about the cars they do or the customers they work for but he never speaks of any cars etc ever.........



Plus he really enjoyed my car which was nice being a little old vauxhall as it was where he started his job off detailing in a vauxhall showroom before venturing out into the big wide world!!!!
 
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