Zymol Concours... Am I worthy?

Well, I guess I will try the Victoria Wax first... If people say it is that much better than Souveran, then it is definitely worth a try...
 
VW is alot nicer then sovereran. You will find you get a really deep paint. YOu get a nice shine but the deapth is un imiaginable..



and with the comment of waxing is a waste if time. I am going to have to respectfully disagree. the reason I say that is becasue the look you get is diffrent. Thre is a glow to numba that you dont get from a sealent. Forexample i just did a perlcent orange eclipse and when the owner picked it up he commented on how it looked like it had a glow or auroa.. so dont discount iwax becasue they dont last as long, the optical diffrences in my opion make waxes more then worth it
 
05Sleeper said:
Does the VW really have to be applied by hand?
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NO! the reason that David recomends it is due to the solvents in the wax. As you wax with an applicator pad it starts to absob the oils and solvents (used to help the wax turn to a liquid so it can be applied to paint). As you detail more, more solvents are absorbed into a pad. As you wax the levels will change due to the high sovlents.

I have never had a problem applying it by applictor pad, also a little tip. use 2 or 3 pads while doing the car so you dont have this problem.

Aslo a quick note. If you do apply the wax by hand you will notice some granual feeling things. Dot worry these will not hurt your paint. They wil go away and wil casue no problems.
 
Deanski said:
Zymol and other esoteric waxes are nothing more than carnuba as the main ingredient, then it's the oils that you start paying for. There is no "white carnuba" that is natural, it's yellow bleached which quite a few companies will do.



Now, also adding more of the esoteric line, application by smearing it on a finish with your hands is another added degree of these waxes to be more exclusive.



Or:



I use wax that is 60% Saber-Toothed Puruvian Mountain Yak virgin ear wax, and 40% African Jungle Chihuahua fromunder cheese harvested with an antique wooden spoon by toothless tribeswomen who then cure it between their cheek and gum for 7 1/2 hours. It costs $7,000 an ounce, and there's a 5-year waiting list, and if you get caught with it in U.S. customs, you're shipped to Guantanamo Bay.



Of course, once you wax your car with it the result is not much different than a $7 bottle of Meguiars, but that's where you have to fly in a genuine hindu swami who will bring you into such a pure state of meditation that you'll swear it looks better, and was well worth the price...





Regards,

Deanski
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Thats too funny!
 
Don't look at waxing by hand as such a bad thing. I gave it a try on my old car just to get a feel for it and found it to be a nice way to work. Just make sure to take off rings, etc.
 
velobard said:
Don't look at waxing by hand as such a bad thing. I gave it a try on my old car just to get a feel for it and found it to be a nice way to work..
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While I, OTOH, expected to like it (at least on the Jag) but found that I hated doing it that way :nixweiss I can sure understand other people enjoying it though, as I thought I would.
 
The solvent used in Victoria Waxes is a highly refined, cosmetic grade type, so layering is completely possible.
 
Wise 85 said:
The solvent used in Victoria Waxes is a highly refined, cosmetic grade type, so layering is completely possible.
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Cosmetic grade solvents that allow layering. I guess that explains Tammy Faye. :geez
 
05Sleeper said:
Well, I guess I will try the Victoria Wax first... If people say it is that much better than Souveran, then it is definitely worth a try...
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I suggest the smaller 3 ounce version first, as not all of us consider Victoria Waxes to be anywhere near Zymol and Pinnacle Territory. I bet you'll like Nattys Blue or Trade Secret better than VW. Swissol is your only other high end wax to compete against the top rated nuba's and again its a large price difference for such a small difference in outcome. Stick with Soveran but place more time in prepping the finish.
 
Accumulator said:
Q about the VW- is it so "high solvent" that it'd disturb an underlying product such as a glaze?
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no. its not that high in solvents. all waxes have solvents. VW is no diffrent. I know David of VW used to use zymol. He learned how to wax by hand then and i guees liked the idea and recomendeds it for any wax not just VW. But the solvents will not effect anythinig
 
DOes it have any filling capabilities? I am trying to decide what I am going ot use as prep... VM, or AIO... Obviously VM has more filling capabilities if I need them, but...
 
05Sleeper said:
DOes it have any filling capabilities? I am trying to decide what I am going ot use as prep... VM, or AIO... Obviously VM has more filling capabilities if I need them, but...
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i dont think so. As far as i know it does not. I cannot garuntee this but i do belive it has no fillers. It is a wax desigend for only a "perfect" finsih. Although i use it on any finish thats what it is desgined for so i would assume it has no fillers.



I know that deep cleanse has a slight amount of fillers.



I havae used AIO as a prep for Vw and it seams so bond well. There are no problems there so i would recomened using AIO
 
i have so many polishes and waxes instead of thinking about what im going to do i just go and grab something and use it. i dont like to spend money on stuff and then just think about what im going to do with it
 
calgarydetail said:
no. its not that high in solvents. .. He learned how to wax by hand then and i guees liked the idea and recomendeds it for any wax not just VW. But the solvents will not effect anythinig
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OK, I was wondering if it's solvent content was up there with the likes of 1Z Glanz, apparently not.



So the by-hand application is *not* required with VW due to body-heat/etc. the way it is with Zymol, huh?



.. not all of us consider Victoria Waxes to be anywhere near Zymol and Pinnacle Territory.
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Now *there's* a real "other side of the fence" opinion :eek:



While I'm not opposed to spending a bit of money on a special LSP, I always end up sticking with Souveran for my "beauty wax" for the garage queen(s). I consider myself pretty discerning ;) but I honestly wonder if I'd notice any real benefit from switching to something more exotic...and this gets back full-circle to prep because my garage queens have impossible-to-make-perfect original paint :nixweiss
 
no you dont need to apply it by hand for the same reason. If you do get Vw you will find it to be a few soft wax, It is easy enough to get on an applicator and to work with.



As for spending the money, you wont know till you try it,. but hey thats up to you.



and like with everything in detailing. Each to there own. Everyone wants somthing a litle diffrent. Hence why there are tons of diffrent brands and products. Its the spice of life.....
 
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