Zymol Concours... Am I worthy?

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05Sleeper

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I was wondering if Zymol Concours wax would bring out a whole new dimension to the look of my car. I amnot sure what it looks best on, but my Phantom Black Metallic S4deserves the best... :bounce



Please advise!:help:



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Pinnacle Soveran Paste hands down better looking than that yellow Concours concoction. You dont even need to warm Pinnacle in your hands. :shocked
 
05Sleeper- I wouldn't consider it until you get the finish perfectly marring-free. IMO (based on what the resident Zymol experts have posted), you won't get any real benefit from using it on an imperfect finish. Based on the other threads where we've been discussing your new S4, I wouldn't be too concerned with the LSP at this point. Gee, I'm a lot of fun, huh :o Sorry to be a bummer.. Anyhow, this is gonna be a daily driver right? There are characteristics I'd value more highly than that last 5% of looks, like shedding contamination, protection from evnironmental nasties, slickness to aid in the avoidance of wash-induced marring, and durability.
 
Agree 100%..... But you have to prep the car correctly for any LSP to be effective and look good.



onelazydawg said:
Pinnacle Soveran Paste hands down better looking than that yellow Concours concoction. You dont even need to warm Pinnacle in your hands. :shocked
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I am going to get the prep work 100%! That you can be sure of! So, after that I want to make it look its absolute best!!! I am not really worried about the cost of the LSP I use (to an extent of course) but I do want this thing to look its ABSOLUTE BEST!!!



If you have ANY recommendations, please let me know.



Thanks again!!!
 
Zymol and other esoteric waxes are nothing more than carnuba as the main ingredient, then it's the oils that you start paying for. There is no "white carnuba" that is natural, it's yellow bleached which quite a few companies will do.



Now, also adding more of the esoteric line, application by smearing it on a finish with your hands is another added degree of these waxes to be more exclusive.



Or:



I use wax that is 60% Saber-Toothed Puruvian Mountain Yak virgin ear wax, and 40% African Jungle Chihuahua fromunder cheese harvested with an antique wooden spoon by toothless tribeswomen who then cure it between their cheek and gum for 7 1/2 hours. It costs $7,000 an ounce, and there's a 5-year waiting list, and if you get caught with it in U.S. customs, you're shipped to Guantanamo Bay.



Of course, once you wax your car with it the result is not much different than a $7 bottle of Meguiars, but that's where you have to fly in a genuine hindu swami who will bring you into such a pure state of meditation that you'll swear it looks better, and was well worth the price...





Regards,

Deanski
 
Deanski said:
Zymol and other esoteric waxes are nothing more than carnuba as the main ingredient, then it's the oils that you start paying for. There is no "white carnuba" that is natural, it's yellow bleached which quite a few companies will do.



Now, also adding more of the esoteric line, application by smearing it on a finish with your hands is another added degree of these waxes to be more exclusive.



Or:



I use wax that is 60% Saber-Toothed Puruvian Mountain Yak virgin ear wax, and 40% African Jungle Chihuahua fromunder cheese harvested with an antique wooden spoon by toothless tribeswomen who then cure it between their cheek and gum for 7 1/2 hours. It costs $7,000 an ounce, and there's a 5-year waiting list, and if you get caught with it in U.S. customs, you're shipped to Guantanamo Bay.



Of course, once you wax your car with it the result is not much different than a $7 bottle of Meguiars, but that's where you have to fly in a genuine hindu swami who will bring you into such a pure state of meditation that you'll swear it looks better, and was well worth the price...
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I'm not really sure what your problem with Zymol is. However, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if I said Zaino was made from pixie dust and other ridiculousness. Outright bashing of a product because you don't like it is uncalled for and unnecessary. Didn't your mommy ever teach you "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." ;)



Clearly many people do like Zymol regardless of what it's ingredients are. Otherwise they'd be out of business.

05Sleeper said:
I am going to get the prep work 100%! That you can be sure of! So, after that I want to make it look its absolute best!!! I am not really worried about the cost of the LSP I use (to an extent of course) but I do want this thing to look its ABSOLUTE BEST!!!



If you have ANY recommendations, please let me know.



Thanks again!!!
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As Accumulator already mentioned and you've already realized prep is key. If you don't polish out paint imperfections then it doesn't really matter what LSP you use. Always apply your LSP to a imperfection free surface to achieve maximum results. :xyxthumbs
 
I understand about the prep. I have that part covered! CAn we get back to the topic?



What LSP would be absolutely BEST for my car?
 
05Sleeper said:
I understand about the prep. I have that part covered! CAn we get back to the topic?



What LSP would be absolutely BEST for my car?
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The problem is . . . only you can answer that question. It's a personal choice. Myself, I would love to see that car with some Zymol Concours on it. If you ask someone else they may say Zaino or Natty's Blue or Souveran or something else. Every LSP looks a little different, lasts a different amount of time, is a little harder/easier to work with, etc. So, you really don't know if you'll like an LSP until you actually use it yourself.
 
Simple answer (*****assuming proper prep*****). Councours will look great, fantastic even, but I don't think it is worth the extra $$ over Souveran. How do I know? I've used both extensively :)
 
Please............please...........stop the madness.



I am a veteren Zymol user. I have compared it with several waxes, including one or two mentioned in this thread. I am also an avid user of P21s.



Prep your surface properly. Compare Concours..............I dare you........to any and/or a few waxes mentioned here and to what you were using before.........and see for yourself.
 
Jason - a carnuba is only one part of the puzzle. I find that a good glaze underneath really puts it over the top. Try any carnuba over CG Acrylic Glaze - even over a perfectly prepped surface it still adds depth and wetness. Over an imperfectly prepped surface.... it's magic.
 
Ok. I have souveran on it now and it is about to be taken off this weekend for a good polishing and some damage control... I have some Menzerna IP, FP II, Meguiar's #4, #9, etc...



After that, Should I prep it with AIO, VM, RMG, NXT, UPP, FMJ, etc... before adding a Carnuba, PS, CMW, TWUPG, #16, etc...???



Which combo would you choose?



Also, I may just go out and buy the Zymol Sampler Kit... would you recommend it? Or are there better thngs to consider?
 
Good luck finding the sampler kit. The peable beach kit is no longer made and is IMPOSIBLE to find. I have searched high and low.



As for the best wax for that black. Hands down Victoria wax concours. It is much more impresive the sovergn. It will leave your paint looking a mile deep.

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Mikeyc said:
I'm not really sure what your problem with Zymol is. However, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if I said Zaino was made from pixie dust and other ridiculousness. Outright bashing of a product because you don't like it is uncalled for and unnecessary. Didn't your mommy ever teach you "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." ;)



Clearly many people do like Zymol regardless of what it's ingredients are. Otherwise they'd be out of business.
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Relax, not really bashing Zymol as I know the owner. Just stating that as with all waxes, well the first major ingedient is.... carnuba. Then oils which give it that deep wet look.



BTW I have the entire line of Zymol. And yes it's a nice wax, very deep and wet. Some smell so good you'd rather eat it than apply it to a cars finish.



As I was saying, some of these oils are expensive to obtain or refine.



But then again, it's wax.



The effect after the waxing will last a very short time, but the wax itself will last as long as any other wax. In other works, the very deep wet look will loose some of the effect once all the oils start to deteriorate or evaporate in the sun.



BTW, forget the "HAND" to apply, unless you want to answer why your palm is the way it is to the wife! Just warm-up a fresh applicator. I use an old toaster oven. Do not apply heavy. I'll let the finish get warm in the sun or under lamps first. For higher-end Zymol, I use a paint cure booth to get the paint warmed-up evenly.



As everyone will tell you, prep finishwork of the paint is key. Even though it has some very minor hiding ability, a good glaze prior, but make sure the glaze is cured or when you apply Concours, you'll end up with a smearing mess. Been there, done that.



Oh, afterwards, be ready to have quite a bit of dust afterwards. If you do this in spring, forget it. The pollen will stick to it like flypaper when warm. The oils migrate out and trap pollen on the surface. You go to QD it off and end up with a mess.



Have fun with it and post any pics when you can.



Regards,

Deanski
 
I guess you were not at one of the Poorboys detail day.



While there, I put the rumor of waxes to the test.



I did a side-by-side of Souveran and Nattys on a red finish (Lexus SC430) my previous car.



What I was trying to accomplish was to show that one wax costing quite a bit more than your normal wax and one costling very little. We had everyone guess which is which and why. In the end, only one person got it right not only choice, but why as well.



If you alreay have Zymol or other high end wax, then go for it.



If not, I would not spend the money at this time.



Regards,

Deanski
 
If you are doing a comparison, I would prep the car with either a moderately aggressive polish (if it has some swirling) and/or a finishing polish, follow that with a paint cleaner, and then a sampling of any wax vs. the concours. Do not, (repeat...do not) use a sealant type additive or other lsp combinations with your wax, or you may get inconclusive results (or in other words, giving a wax either an unfair advantage or hindering its rendering ability). The comparison contest should measure each wax's finish abilities without any assistence other than the pure polish prep.



Good luck. Let the results speak for itself.



BTW: Disregard some of the opinions in this thread. Let your own observations determine your choice.
 
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