Zaino Users - Washing with DAWN????
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wannafbody
wannafbody
GatorJ said:
Please explain exactly why.
I think what you want to hear is that it is okay to wash your car with dawn. Well, it's okay to wash your car with dawn to start with. It is a very effective degreaser, hence its use in removing polish and wax from pads. There are stronger solutions you could use on your car if needed to, but dawn is probably all you need to get ready for Zaino regimen. After you apply your Zaino you can go to your regular car wash soap. And the next time you want to strip off your zaino or whatever wax you got on your car, it's okay to reach for the dawn. On another note you might want to try palmolive because it softens your hands while you wash your car, just like Madge.
Glossy McGlosserton
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Ahhh, just like Madge! That's an oldie.
The original OP may want to note that either ZFX or use of Z-AIO is needed if you want to get the legendary Zaino durability. If using Z-AIO, there is probably no added benefit from a Dawn wash. If using ZFX, a Dawn wash would be one good way of getting old wax or oils off the surface for good bonding. The clay wouldn't accomplish that.
The original OP may want to note that either ZFX or use of Z-AIO is needed if you want to get the legendary Zaino durability. If using Z-AIO, there is probably no added benefit from a Dawn wash. If using ZFX, a Dawn wash would be one good way of getting old wax or oils off the surface for good bonding. The clay wouldn't accomplish that.
derekbmw
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G35stilez said:
yup, agreed.
Thanks for the replies. I am using Z2 and Z5, and not Z-AIO since I didn't order that.
Seems like most think that a dawn wash to kick things off is "ok" to do. I know that my dealer put some type of sealant or wax on the car when they removed the shipping plastics, and also because they left some residue here or there. Since the car is about a month old I know that I will have to use something to get the initial layer off, and Dawn seems to be ideal at this point. I hate to use something that may harm my car, but I guess i'll do it quickly and hope for the best.
Funny when you read those threads on people who know someone who washes their car with dish soap on a regular basis. When I was a kid I recall a neighbor who would squirt the bottle and wash away, and never seemed to have any problems or at least that I remember.
One time Dawn and then i'll hope to keep my Zaino on and looking good.
Seems like most think that a dawn wash to kick things off is "ok" to do. I know that my dealer put some type of sealant or wax on the car when they removed the shipping plastics, and also because they left some residue here or there. Since the car is about a month old I know that I will have to use something to get the initial layer off, and Dawn seems to be ideal at this point. I hate to use something that may harm my car, but I guess i'll do it quickly and hope for the best.
Funny when you read those threads on people who know someone who washes their car with dish soap on a regular basis. When I was a kid I recall a neighbor who would squirt the bottle and wash away, and never seemed to have any problems or at least that I remember.
One time Dawn and then i'll hope to keep my Zaino on and looking good.
imported_Denzil
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Yet another Dawn thread, LoL. Just Dawn it already! 
Like G35stilez said... use in moderation.
Like G35stilez said... use in moderation.
jswift2000
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If you dont want to use dawn with Zaino (I dont anymore), use an IPA wipedown, body solvent or CG Citrus Wash (Car Wash Shampoo is a gentle-cleansing liquid gel car wash Car Wash Shampoo) in a concentrated formula to remove the old wax and oils. Note Step 2: As a paintwork cleanser dilute 2oz with 1 gallon water for superior surface cleaner to remove built up grime and leftover wax.
imported_DennisH
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I was listening to the Beer Taps install guy in one of new local pubs briefing the owner and the bar staff on how to use and care of their new beer taps. He was explaining what makes beer foam or go flat and the subject of dishwashing detergents come up he stated never wash beer glass with Dawn (was the worst) or other detergents made to do dishes because they oils behind. He also stated that they leave behind a sheeting agent that prevents water from beading so they don’t spot when allowed to air dry. Here is the page out of his manual….
Just thought it was a interesting!!!
Just thought it was a interesting!!!
DennisH said:I was listening to the Beer Taps install guy in one of new local pubs briefing the owner and the bar staff on how to use and care of their new beer taps. He was explaining what makes beer foam or go flat and the subject of dishwashing detergents come up he stated never wash beer glass with Dawn (was the worst) or other detergents made to do dishes because they oils behind. He also stated that they leave behind a sheeting agent that prevents water from beading so they don’t spot when allowed to air dry. Here is the page out of his manual….
Just thought it was a interesting!!!
Fat-based? Oily? Yet they cut through grease?
It'd be fun to break down auto wash shampoos and see what's actually in them. We put such a label on Dawn, yet it's safe enough to drink. I'm not sure I'd feel safe enough to take some bug pre-rinses and APCs down the hatch. In moderation for deep cleaning before polishing, I'm still pressed to find a more effective, more economical choice than Dawn.
Maybe someone can do a Dawn test over time. Wash their car with Dawn weekly and monitor the surfaces. I'll be in a rental car for a few weeks, near term, maybe I will go this route.
SuperBee364
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NSXTASY said:
Agreed. That contribution takes some (but only some
) of the pain out of yet another Dawn thread.The part that really hits home is the fact that dishwashing detergents leave behind a sheeting agent to help avoid hard water spots on dishes. Probably not that big of a thing if you're going to clay and/or polish afterwards, but if you're planning on using Dawn to strip your car of whatever prior to using an LSP, those sheeting agents probably aren't doing your LSP any good.
Great information. At the very least, I know I'm gonna stop washing my 64 oz glass beer stein (which I keep in the freezer) with dishwashing liquid.
wannafbody
wannafbody
If you want to find the PH level of your favorite carwash just get some pool PH test strips and dip it in. Dawn has a PH of around 9, NXT carwash does too.
imported_DennisH
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SuperBee364 said:Agreed. That contribution takes some (but only some
The part that really hits home is the fact that dishwashing detergents leave behind a sheeting agent to help avoid hard water spots on dishes. Probably not that big of a thing if you're going to clay and/or polish afterwards, but if you're planning on using Dawn to strip your car of whatever prior to using an LSP, those sheeting agents probably aren't doing your LSP any good.
Great information. At the very least, I know I'm gonna stop washing my 64 oz glass beer stein (which I keep in the freezer) with dishwashing liquid.
My question would be are you really stripping the old wax or are you see the sheeting agents do it job and preventing the surface from beading?
The debate just gets harder and harder to make a choice
So is the PH in the soap what is supposedly stripping the old waxes? If so, than if NXT and Dawn have the same PH is that saying that they are both similar candidates to strip waxes? Couldn't see how NXT would be stripping wax since most users using that brand are also using the wax.
So is the PH in the soap what is supposedly stripping the old waxes? If so, than if NXT and Dawn have the same PH is that saying that they are both similar candidates to strip waxes? Couldn't see how NXT would be stripping wax since most users using that brand are also using the wax.
WashCrazy said:The debate just gets harder and harder to make a choice
So is the PH in the soap what is supposedly stripping the old waxes? If so, than if NXT and Dawn have the same PH is that saying that they are both similar candidates to strip waxes? Couldn't see how NXT would be stripping wax since most users using that brand are also using the wax.
I think the PH of dawn is around 9-10, is NXT really that high?
Edit, I found this:
Take your car, truck, van or SUV to the next level with Meguiar’s NXT Generation Car Wash. Meguiar’s expertise in Engineered Synthetic Polymers (ESP) technology has led to the development of a completely synthetic car wash concentrate that loosens and emulsifies even the toughest dirt and road grime with extreme sudsing action. This pH balanced, non-detergent formula won’t strip off wax protection and is gentle on all painted finishes as well as rubber, vinyl, and plastic components. Meguiar’s NXT Generation Car Wash is the first step to an amped up shine. Contains 18 fl. oz.
AFAIK, the PH level of dawn is alkaline which is where the cleaning/degreasing comes from. Once a chemical is dilluted with water, the PH changes, correct?