Zaino question

TCC13

New member
Hey Guys,

Been using Zaino for some time but recently noticed that they replaced Z1with Z-AIO and have a sealer Z-CS (yah I've been away from the game for ime time :D )

Now what I was wondering is after I use the AIO and apply one coat of Z-2 Pro, can I apply another coat right after with no ZFX or do I need to wait 8-12hrs before the second coat is applied? If I do have to wait, can I apply the Z-CS right after the first coat of Z-2?

tia
 
From the Zainostore.com website

Z-AIO is an emulsifying cleaner and very mild abrasive, Z-AIO gently cleans and protects while effectively enhancing light refraction and reflectivity for remarkable results.

Z-1 is discontinued. ZFX™ makes using Z-1™ Polish Lok unnecessary. ZFX™ is a Zaino Show Car Polish cross-linking and acceleration additive

"Using ZFX™ in place of Z-1™ Polish Lok will promote cross-linking, reduce drying time, increase gloss factor, extend durability level, and instantly cure to allow multiple immediate coats! No more waiting between coats!"

"Z-CS Clear Seal is an advanced total synthetic polymer protectant that is simply wiped on, and you’re done. Z-CS does not require buffing or residue removal. Z-CS is wiped on and simply allowed to disappear into the paint, leaving behind a super gloss."

"And for the most extreme enthusiast...
While not required, for the ULTIMATE in paint protection and an INCREDIBLE show car finish, use Z-AIO, followed by 2 coats of ZFX enabled Z-5 PRO, then 1 coat of Z-2 PRO (including a Z-6 wipe down between coats) and finish off with an application of Z-CS. Wait 12 hours, then wipe down the vehicle with Z-8. Get your sunglasses out, the gloss may be blinding."

"ZFX™ can be used with any of our Show Car Polish products, including Z-2™, Z-3™ and Z-5™".

------------------------------

My Thoughts:
If you use Z-AIO you need to wait a "curing time" before applying the first coat of Z-2™.
Unless you are using ZFX™ enabled Z-2™ you need to wait the "curing time" between coats.
I've found with clean prepared paint it's not necessary to use Z-AIO before applying Z-2™

1) Prepare, polish and clean the paint FIRST!
2) Mix a little Z-2™ and ZFX™ per the Zaino ZFX™ instructions
3) You can apply up to 3 coats of ZFX™ enabled product(s) in one afternoon

On a prepared paint surface (polished & cleaned) I will apply 3 coats of Z-2™ directly on the paint.
Three ZFX™ enabled coats of Z-2™ is the maximum recommended per 12-24 hour time frame.
You can layer multiple Z-2™ coats after the first three coats have met the "curing time".
I know a couple of folks that have done (3 coats each day for 10 days) 30 coats.
 
IIRC, you can apply one coat of Z2pro or Z5pro after Z-AIO no problem. However, if you want to apply additional coats of Z2pro or Z5pro afterwards, then they will all need to be mixed with ZFX....

For example....

ZAIO (think of ZAIO as already containing ZFX) followed immediately by Z2/Z5pro will work

ZAIO followed by two coats of Z2/Z5pro (without ZFX) will not work as the second application of Z2/Z5 will still not cure for 24 hours....
 
IIRC, you can apply one coat of Z2pro or Z5pro after Z-AIO no problem. However, if you want to apply additional coats of Z2pro or Z5pro afterwards, then they will all need to be mixed with ZFX....

For example....

ZAIO (think of ZAIO as already containing ZFX) followed immediately by Z2/Z5pro will work

ZAIO followed by two coats of Z2/Z5pro (without ZFX) will not work as the second application of Z2/Z5 will still not cure for 24 hours....

My bad. Thanks Todd for the clarification. Yes, you are correct.
After an application of Z-AIO you can go directly to Z-2, Z-3 or Z-5.
You can use multiple coats of Z-2, Z-3 or Z-5 if they are ZFX enabled.

Let's see if I can get this one correct.
TCC13 said:
...can I apply the Z-CS right after the first coat of Z-2?
Z-CS is a Wipe On/Walk Away (WOWA) product. IMHO (most WOWA's) are a last step or topper.
I would first apply as many Z-2 / ZFX coats that you would like and then apply Z-CS at the end.
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) you can put Z-CS on top of a Z-2/ZFX application right away.
IMHO Z-2/ZFX is a much harder and durable LSP than Z-CS and should be applied before Z-CS.
 
Thanks guys. Appreciate the tips :)

Found that you can add layers of Z-2Pro on top of Z-CS
Can Z-2 or Z-5 PRO be layered over Z-CS?
Yes, but for maximum gloss and durability, Z-CS should be the final protectant product after new coats of Z-2 and/or Z-5 PRO. Using Z-CS over Z-2 or Z-5 PRO gives you the ultimate in gloss and protection.


And you're right Merlin, you can apply Z-CS right after Z-2 Pro
Can I use Z-CS over Z-2 or Z-5 PRO without enabling Z-2 or Z-5 PRO with ZFX?
Yes. Follow up Z-2 or Z-5 PRO with Z-CS as a final coat. Z-CS will properly bond and cross link the Z-2 or Z-5 PRO.


I was also wondering, if you can't finish a full detail in one day can you just either wash the car again the next day and continue or even just do a quick QD with Z6?
 
These products were the forerunners of all the great products of today.

If you ever really got into using their polishes, you really learned the definition of what a
"thin coat" is, and found that less is really better than the old adage - " if a little bit is good, then a lot more is going to be better"..
And you learned about application techniques that were long, straight, even pressure, thin, so thin you could barely see it if ever, and using vertical, straight strokes on the vertical panels - fenders, doors, straight areas of trunk lids, etc...

Imagine a Clear Sealer spray that you just wiped on with very thin coats (like all their products), and let it dry and cure. What a concept! :) Years ahead of its time.

I think a lot of people got confused with the mixing of the ZFX, a dark blue product in tiny little plastic bottle, that was the "hardener" if you will, of the Z-2 Pro or Z-5 pro polishes. It was so simple, I think it made people crazy and they missed the point of how easy it really was, to just put a couple of drops or so out of that bottle into the measured amount of Z2 or Z5, and shake it up. Nothing could be simpler than that.

If you ever had a local Zaino rep around that was really into the product, you would be stunned at the depth of the zaino product/s on his paintwork of his car. It was like someone sprayed a bunch of extra clear over the top of the paint.

Used all their products for years even before these Forums were invented, and online shopping came into being.

Their Leather Cleaner product will always be one of my favorites. Combined with steam through a white towel after brushing it into leather with say, a SwissVax leather brush, its pretty unbeatable for my needs.

You will notice that Sal Zaino has never deviated from his original business plan pretty much, and to the details of not even wanting to sell some of his products in larger sizes - even to Detailers..

I hear he and his family have done pretty darn good over the decades, and still going strong.
Dan F
 

Exactly what part of the process are you referring to here ?
After applying Z2 or Z5?

If yes, then certainly, you can apply a non-ZFX'd coat, hopefully have a place indoors to let it dry and cure overnight, and come back the next day, Z6 it down carefully, and apply another coat.

Does this help answer your question?
Dan F
 
Thanks Dan that's what I wanted to hear :D

Also was wondering what the minimum cure time I should wait for each application of Z-2 after the first AIO/Z-2 combo?
 
I believe without ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator the wait time between coats is 24 hours.


APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS

  1. A little goes a long way. We've engineered Z-2 PRO™ to be extremely efficient. While applying Z-2 PRO™, do your best to apply very thin, even layers. As you become more familiar with the product, a single eight-ounce bottle will do a Corvette 20 times. Remember - when in doubt, use less.
  2. If your car's surface isn't in optimal condition, take the necessary steps to correct any imperfections before applying Z-2 PRO. For best results, always precede an application of Z-2 PRO™ with a Z-7 Show Car Wash. This will ensure the surface is free of any contaminants or incompatible oils/deposits. Z-2 PRO™ contains no cleaners, and no abrasives, therefore the surface must be in good condition before you apply Z-2 PRO™.
  3. For your initial application, enable Z-2 PRO™ by mixing with ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator as directed by the instructions included with ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator. It is critical that you use ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator with Z-2 PRO™ for the initial application, or if multiple layers are to be applied within a 24 hour time period.*
  4. Apply a thin coat of Z-2 PRO™ to your entire car using a 100% cotton cloth or applicator pad. Heavy rubbing is not necessary. Remember: Z-2 PRO is extremely concentrated. 1 oz of Z-2 PRO can do the average sized vehicle 1 to 2 times including the rims. Less is better. Use as little product as possible.
  5. Allow Z-2 PRO™ to haze (this should take 10-15 minutes in normal conditions), then by using a clean, 100% cotton, made in the USA towel to buff off Z-2 PRO™ and reveal the hidden beauty of your paint.
NOTE: Z-2 PRO™ is extremely durable and should provide at least 6 months of protection for your vehicle. If your goals are maximum shine and maximum protection on everyday vehicles, we recommend 3-4 applications per year. For show car owners, multiple coats will provide the wettest-looking, deepest, most distortion-free finish you can imagine.

* Note regarding ZFX and Z-2 PRO™ : For a more dramatic appearance and improved durability, Z-2 PRO™ can be layered multiple times. We recommend no more than 3 layers be applied over a 24-hour time period. Whenever you layer Z-2 PRO™, you must activate it with ZFX. For additional information, refer to the ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator page.
 
Great, thanks. With the up and down weather I'm having here I can only do one coat at a time without the zfx.

Another question here, I plan on doing some minor swirl removing with some poorboys ssr before the ZAIO/Z-2. Would it be wise to do a wipe down with eraser after swirl removing?
 
Great, thanks. With the up and down weather I'm having here I can only do one coat at a time without the zfx.

Another question here, I plan on doing some minor swirl removing with some poorboys ssr before the ZAIO/Z-2. Would it be wise to do a wipe down with eraser after swirl removing?

It depends.. If you are going with ZAIO, then no.. .because ZAIO is a cleaner that will remove any polishing oils...

If you are going wtih Z2, then yes...
 
As ZAIO is a cleaner, will it remove old wax? The Zaino website says "wash the car with dawn", but if ZAIO removes wax by itself i would just use a strong real carwash solution and use ZAIO for the wax that's still left after the car wash.
 
As ZAIO is a cleaner, will it remove old wax? The Zaino website says "wash the car with dawn", but if ZAIO removes wax by itself i would just use a strong real carwash solution and use ZAIO for the wax that's still left after the car wash.

I think that's because you can polish every square millimeter (tight corners and stuff). At least, that's why I use an LSP "stripper" even if I'm going to polish.
 
It is rare I use Zaino AIO.

I prefer to polish then clean before applying Z-2.
When it's clean I can see the condition of the paint.
Once I'm happy with the finish I apply Z-2 with ZFX.
 
Back
Top