Roverhater
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I have seen posts of NXT over Zaino, but not the other way. Put NXt on last weekend. Thinking a coat of Zaino on my darl car may make it deeper/shinier. Any thoughts?
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Zaino over NXT?
- Thread starter Roverhater
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imported_memnuts
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I did this experiment last week. NXT after curing is not oily or greasy. As a matter of fact the surface feels just like Zaino. I applied 2 coats of Z2/ZFX over NXT (x3) which had been on an unused and garaged (heated) vehicle for 3 weeks. The application was completely normal and buffing was also unchanged from Zaino on a virgin surface.
Appearance: No significant change in gloss or other perimeters.
Test for presence of Zaino: After allowing to cure (even with ZFX) for 3 days, I pulled vehicle out and sprayed with water. Classic tight and tiny Zaino beading. Wiped down with WW and repeated the rinse down again to see if Zaino was removed by WW and drying. Same results.
Conclusion: No significant visual changes to already nice appearing NXT. May very well extend the durability of NXT alone. Not tested and will not perform this test. Vehicle not driven much and never in bad weather. Apparently these 2 products are quite compatible and appear to bond at least strong enough to withstand 2 rinsing and dry downs.
Appearance: No significant change in gloss or other perimeters.
Test for presence of Zaino: After allowing to cure (even with ZFX) for 3 days, I pulled vehicle out and sprayed with water. Classic tight and tiny Zaino beading. Wiped down with WW and repeated the rinse down again to see if Zaino was removed by WW and drying. Same results.
Conclusion: No significant visual changes to already nice appearing NXT. May very well extend the durability of NXT alone. Not tested and will not perform this test. Vehicle not driven much and never in bad weather. Apparently these 2 products are quite compatible and appear to bond at least strong enough to withstand 2 rinsing and dry downs.
blkZ28Conv said:I did this experiment last week. NXT after curing is not oily or greasy. As a matter of fact the surface feels just like Zaino. I applied 2 coats of Z2/ZFX over NXT (x3) which had been on an unused and garaged (heated) vehicle for 3 weeks. The application was completely normal and buffing was also unchanged from Zaino on a virgin surface.
Appearance: No significant change in gloss or other perimeters.
Test for presence of Zaino: After allowing to cure (even with ZFX) for 3 days, I pulled vehicle out and sprayed with water. Classic tight and tiny Zaino beading. Wiped down with WW and repeated the rinse down again to see if Zaino was removed by WW and drying. Same results.
Conclusion: No significant visual changes to already nice appearing NXT. May very well extend the durability of NXT alone. Not tested and will not perform this test. Vehicle not driven much and never in bad weather. Apparently these 2 products are quite compatible and appear to bond at least strong enough to withstand 2 rinsing and dry downs.
Hm, interesting -- those are pretty wild assumptions, though. Your experience that NXT + Zaino lasts through a few rinses doesn't necessarily indicate they are 'quite compatible.' All it says is that Z's bonding was strong enough for that application. Have you tried using Z over other oily glazes? You'll likely find the same beading. But again, that doesn't mean it is compatible (meaning extend the life of Z), nor does it make the glaze oil-free.
I'm curious because NXT, IMO, is indeed oily and greasy after curing. I used my wife's Clean & Clear Oil-Absorbing Sheets, and to my surprise, it soaked up oil from NXT while Z had no affect on the pad, even though the finishes both felt similar. Did your experiment have a control? Did you compare it with a regular Z application?
imported_memnuts
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The only control is years of experience with a great product like Zaino.
No assumption was made that Zaino's durability or longevity was increased by this application just an inference that maybe NXT's longevity may be increased. As stated, this was not a test for that. Nor will I test it for that. My whole goal was the search for the ultimate appearance and Zaino has a renown ability to make auto finishes very glossy. Zaino's excellent gloss on top of NXT's outstanding depth, color hue augmentation, and wetness ( at least on my prepped vehicle) was the reasoning for trying this experiment.
All finding were empirical as stated. Why your test vehicle maintains a oily/greasy residual after NXT I can not answer, but my findings under the control environment in which I tested this application resulted in not residual oils.
Compatibility was noted not only by Zaino's ability to adhere to NXT but also the absence of hazy (separation), patchy appearance of the beading pattern and the absence of gumming during application and buffing, etc, etc.
Zaino is not an absolute situational protectant. It does not require absolute absence of "so-called" oily surface contaminates to bond. Yes, maximal bonding probably occurs if a completely virgin surface is available.
Compatibility: the ability for 2 things to co-exist. This has nothing to do with cross-linking as the only means of co-existence. At the some time that the ability to exist on the same surface could mean some sort cross-linking is occuring between the 2 products along with other forms of adhersion (VanDer Waal).
Was my test skewed by the fact that this vehicle lives an unrealistic environment ( heated garage, rarely driven, never driven in bad weather, time lag between applications of 2 products, etc) that allows any oil based contaminates (solvents) to evaporate away prior to the Zaino application. :nixweiss
Not proposing a definite, just adding my experience with this situation to the pool of thoughts and mystery about products we use and love. :wavey
No assumption was made that Zaino's durability or longevity was increased by this application just an inference that maybe NXT's longevity may be increased. As stated, this was not a test for that. Nor will I test it for that. My whole goal was the search for the ultimate appearance and Zaino has a renown ability to make auto finishes very glossy. Zaino's excellent gloss on top of NXT's outstanding depth, color hue augmentation, and wetness ( at least on my prepped vehicle) was the reasoning for trying this experiment.
All finding were empirical as stated. Why your test vehicle maintains a oily/greasy residual after NXT I can not answer, but my findings under the control environment in which I tested this application resulted in not residual oils.
Compatibility was noted not only by Zaino's ability to adhere to NXT but also the absence of hazy (separation), patchy appearance of the beading pattern and the absence of gumming during application and buffing, etc, etc.
Zaino is not an absolute situational protectant. It does not require absolute absence of "so-called" oily surface contaminates to bond. Yes, maximal bonding probably occurs if a completely virgin surface is available.
Compatibility: the ability for 2 things to co-exist. This has nothing to do with cross-linking as the only means of co-existence. At the some time that the ability to exist on the same surface could mean some sort cross-linking is occuring between the 2 products along with other forms of adhersion (VanDer Waal).
Was my test skewed by the fact that this vehicle lives an unrealistic environment ( heated garage, rarely driven, never driven in bad weather, time lag between applications of 2 products, etc) that allows any oil based contaminates (solvents) to evaporate away prior to the Zaino application. :nixweiss
Not proposing a definite, just adding my experience with this situation to the pool of thoughts and mystery about products we use and love. :wavey
Roverhater
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So back to my question. Will look better and possibly protect better then?
imported_memnuts
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Found no appearance enhancement. Maybe even lost a little hue sharpness created by NXT. My test vehicle was black. Silver may give a different appearance results.
Durability not tested.
Durability not tested.
bullitt4995
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If anyone can find a polish that gives a deeper, smoother looking shine than Zaino Z2,Z6, please let me know.
Roverhater
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The Z2 with the hardener (forget all these initials) is applied right now. Taking a little longer than normal to dry. Well see.
MrLoveLoviro
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Roverhater said:The Z2 with the hardener (forget all these initials) is applied right now. Taking a little longer than normal to dry. Well see.
Today, I applied Z2 with ZFX over NXT too and mine is taking longer to dry, but it is a little chilly.
I wiped down parts of the car with alcohol to test against the areas I didn't.
Roverhater
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Mine was also more difficult to take off than the many other times I have zainoed. Seemed to be not as smooth as the NXT coat.