Zaino, I'm a believer.

mochamanz said:
Seriously, the cleaners in NXT are too weak to remove Zaino...

:xyxthumbs



Zaino must be some mighty powerful stuff, unremovable except with alcohol, the arch nemesis of Zaino. Still don't buy it, all waxes contain a solvent to keep it in liquid form, put it on with a buffer and it's going to dissolve a good portion of what was on there before and if anything, create a superwax of Zaino and NXT mixed together but not really layered like if you applied softly by hand.



I like to buy products available locally and that's my only complaint with Zaino and would try it otherwise. I say how good can it be if nobody at the L.A. or O.C. Fair is selling it there, everyone else has their half polished hoods there :) Hmm, that makes me hungry for some food on a stick.
 
I think they are just afraid that people will spill beer (alcohol, the Anti-Zaino) on their demo hood at the fair and the Zaino will instantly dissapear leaving behind naked paint. Besides, I love the circus circuit tactics, the hucksters are what makes the fair fun for me ;)
 
buellwinkle said:
Zaino must be some mighty powerful stuff, unremovable except with alcohol, the arch nemesis of Zaino. Still don't buy it, all waxes contain a solvent to keep it in liquid form, put it on with a buffer and it's going to dissolve a good portion of what was on there before and if anything, create a superwax of Zaino and NXT mixed together but not really layered like if you applied softly by hand.



I like to buy products available locally and that's my only complaint with Zaino and would try it otherwise. I say how good can it be if nobody at the L.A. or O.C. Fair is selling it there, everyone else has their half polished hoods there :) Hmm, that makes me hungry for some food on a stick.



I'm sure glad that an expert has joined the board to give us all such great insight...yet another person who talks about products they have no experience with...invaluable.



P.S. There are Zaino distributors in LA.
 
I never said I used Zaino, but in case you didn't read the entire post, I've seen a demo where an owner of a corvette that attended a Meguiars event claimed to have 6 coats of Zaino and was very proud of his shine until he was shown better, that's all. Heck for all I know it was not real Zaino, maybe InZaino. As for an LA distributor, that's too far, might as well be in Amarillo.
 
buellwinkle said:
I never said I used Zaino, but in case you didn't read the entire post, I've seen a demo where an owner of a corvette that attended a Meguiars event claimed to have 6 coats of Zaino and was very proud of his shine until he was shown better, that's all. Heck for all I know it was not real Zaino, maybe InZaino. As for an LA distributor, that's too far, might as well be in Amarillo.



Then you didn't see a demo of the product. You saw what may/may not have been the proper/improper result of whatever product may/may not have been on the finish. I don't think you're making fair statements here.
 
I think my statement is fair, I'm not saying Zaino is poo, just stating what I saw, a proud happy Zaino user and what happened. Sure, the Zaino or InZaino may have been applied wrong but he was very happy with the way it was applied and looked, right or wrong and the NXT was applied correctly by a trained factory professional and that made the Zaino look bad, possible, maybe. It's just that there are so many of these smaller internet based wax companies, too many to pick from, who do you trust? Do they have the R&D dollars that the big boys have? What's their scientific/technical credentials? I look at it this way, there are tons of proffesionals, mostly body shops, car dealers, fleet owners and even local detailers that buy commercial grade products that they depend on to make a living. As a serious hobbiest, when I look for a product, I feel more confident choosing one that's used in these situations like Malco, 3m, or Meguiars Proffesional series. I've never seen body shops, dealers, and even large detailer operations using Adams, Zaino, SSR, FP, VM and that doesn't mean they're no good but it doesn't give me the confidence to buy them, bought enough garbage sold by hucksters too many times, even at state fairs and swap meets but I do enjoy listening to them, just don't buy the stuff. I feel that if the paint is properly prepared with a rotary buffer (not a PC) and perfectly clean and swirl free, any wax will look good, some look slightly better than others, some hide imperfections better than others and some last better than others but it's all in the prep, not the wax.
 
This thread reads like the "Twilight Zone". Like a Twilight Zone episode, there is heavy Irony throughout this thread.... NXT is not in any way a competitive product to the Zaino system, period. NXT has its niche, but that niche is NOT next to Zaino ! IMO !This is proved in experience and observation. I love to discuss products with an open mind, however these posts open with assumed equality of the two products and proceed from that point. This thread started off with pics of an awesome job of detailing by a New Autopian who produced a finished detail that anybody, Autopian or otherwise would bust buttons over. However, this thread has turned into a line of distortion that is so off that I didnt want to expend the considerable time necessary to offer point by point rebuttal. This thread has become simply a Zaino bashing exercise IMHO. Credibility has been shredded by the statements made in disregard for fact..... NXT in the same class as Zaino??? Not remotely ! :xyxthumbs



A few posts in which the posters agree in an erroneous assumption does not equal an objective, open discussion. I am quite happy that this is still a polite thread...... Let's get back to discussing the fine detail job posted here and reality please !!:xyxthumbs
 
Y'all just need to learn to live w/ Mr.Winkle.:) He's a pretty good guy & just tells it as he sees it. I've had to read his shennagians on the mbklasse forum for the last few years. I know why he joined Autopia, and it sure wasn't to come on here and promote all of Meg's products.



(BTW-having seen a number of cars w/ NXT (not sure of the prep), it is nowhere close to Z).
 
buellwinkle said:
As a serious hobbiest, when I look for a product, I feel more confident choosing one that's used in these situations like Malco, 3m, or Meguiars Proffesional series.



More confident with Meguiar's? What are you trying to pull Buell? :)



This seems to go against most of what you've written over at MBWorld... where you make very clear how you feel about Meguiar's (it ain't pretty) and you even recommend and use boutique last step products (Klasse & Zaino). Or is this a different buellwinkle that's posting here?
 
ronrosa - welcome to autopia. your GTO looks good. btw, did you ever try polishing it yet, not something strong but something light like AIO or such? it might just help kick up the shine of your GTO a notch or two. :)
 
Mr Winkle does have a few good points which certain parties tend to ignor and that is that a liquid product has some solvents in it which must soften or melt into previous products and crosslink in a 3d manner across itself and into the previous layer(if this in incorrect please present some scientific to the contrary) in fact Zaino claims you only need ZFX for the first layer. WHY:nixweiss -maybe because the following layers crosslink into the first layer and form 1 thicker layer of product instead of X number of individual layers. As for NXT not being the equal of Z-Mike Phillips claims that NXT will protect as long as Z. Interpret that in any manner you choose or ignor it as manufurers exaggeration. If Some people prefer the look of NXT that's their right.
 
I believe buellwinkle is what we effectively call a TROLL. Which, if memory serves me, is an offense punishable by a timeout?



Perhaps one of the moderators could help me out?
 
buellwinkle said:
I look at it this way, there are tons of proffesionals, mostly body shops, car dealers, fleet owners and even local detailers that buy commercial grade products that they depend on to make a living. As a serious hobbiest, when I look for a product, I feel more confident choosing one that's used in these situations like Malco, 3m, or Meguiars Proffesional series. I've never seen body shops, dealers, and even large detailer operations using Adams, Zaino, SSR, FP, VM and that doesn't mean they're no good but it doesn't give me the confidence to buy them



If this is way you think/feel then Autopia is the wrong place for you. "Boutique" and consumer level products are large part of the discussion here.



For the most part, body shops and dealerships are a huge joke to the detailing industry (around here anyway).



I said there were distributors in LA because you keep whining about the fair there...there are distributors all over every state. You should also be able to find Poorboy's, Adams, and many other products readily in your area.
 
I would be interested in some opinions some of you may have concerning Zaino over something like NXT. I have no doubt what so ever that with excellent prep Zaino looks very very good. But I have also found that with limited prep the look of zaino seems to diminish quite a bit. NXT, on the other hand, (again in my opinion) seems to look great, even if I don't have the time to do much prep. And unfortunately, I USUALLY don't have much time to do a ton of prep work before I wax my car.



So, is it a fair statement to say that a product like zaino is best left to those that have the time and expertise to make the most of it?
 
ZaneO said:
If this is way you think/feel then Autopia is the wrong place for you. "Boutique" and consumer level products are large part of the discussion here.



For the most part, body shops and dealerships are a huge joke to the detailing industry (around here anyway).



I said there were distributors in LA because you keep whining about the fair there...there are distributors all over every state. You should also be able to find Poorboy's, Adams, and many other products readily in your area.



Yep, no washes at the dealer around here. I would go out on a limb and say that just about everyone here makes SURE that the dealer DOESN'T wash their car and wouldn't fathom making an appointment for them to do it.:eek: :shocked
 
Guys, don't let someone like that get to you. While NXT is pretty good stuff, its not in the same class as Zaino. Hey bullwinkle did he put lighter fluid on the NXT side and light it , thats always impressive.
 
hirosh said:
ronrosa - welcome to autopia. your GTO looks good. btw, did you ever try polishing it yet, not something strong but something light like AIO or such? it might just help kick up the shine of your GTO a notch or two. :)



No I haven't polished it. The only thing I've used so far is Tropicare and Zaino.



If I wanted to try a polish like AIO what is the procedure ? Should I wash all the Zaino off ? Does the polish go on before or after the Zaino ? What about the multiple Zaino coats ?



Sorry for all the questions. But I'm new to all this detailing stuff.
 
Sheesh Ronrosa,

Sorry your fine detail is getting sidetracked by all this garbage. I am seriously considering not talking about product at all when I post a detail, kind of leave it to the imagination, the product is secondary to the results. It's probably my fault in part for wanting clarification on the testing procedure of the NXT over Zaino, my bad I guess. Claying will never remove 6 coats of zaino, or any sealant that has been cured with multiple coats. I know this for a fact. because I tried it a few times. I always got tight beads after claying over my Zaino, or Wolf, or SG tried them all. Plus, I would always put the representative of a company, like Mike Phillips of Megs, to a higher standard when they test products, they should know better. Anyhow, Ron welcome to Autopia, jump right into the fire, lol.
 
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