Z-6 alternative?

Dave1 said:
Z-6 isn't what gives the finish a candy look, it's the product below. (Z2p-Z5p)



Z-6 is basically a gloss enhancer and won't be any different than what you've already tied......



Z-8 is probably the closest thing to what you are looking for without applying Z2 or Z5.......
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I've been using Zaino stuff since 1999. So ten years.



I'm pretty confident that Z6 is going to give me the look I want as I HAVE A BOTTLE and have been using it. Z6 was the original bling thing when there was no Z8, Z-2 pro and Z-5 came in a black bottle.



I'd rather not give Sal anymore of my money since his fantastic Z-2 is what caused a bunch of deep etch waterspotting on a few of my vehicles.



Some of the folks posting in this thread are serious Zaino Zombies, you'll wake up one day, I promise. Everyone else, thanks, I'll grab some of the 921 when my Z6 runs out.
 
My car has etching and I used tons of stuff before Zaino- Duragloss, Collinite, Eagle One, Tropicare-none of them prevented etching.
 
Thats really interesting wannafbody.. I had a vehicle with notoriously soft paint. It had some Collinite 476(that had been on approximately 6 months at the time with no top up) on it.



I came to my park after being parked for a few days outside(had no other choice at the time) to find tons of water spots, and a couple bird deuces baked on it. I check the forecast after and it was sunny with some T-storm/showers - a perfect recipe for etching :)



I washed the car and after my pre winter prep - of stripping, inspecting and sealing I had remembered the spots.. during the inspection there wasnt a single trace of etching.



I trust 476 - that stinks you had a bad experience with it
 
yakky said:
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I've been using Zaino stuff since 1999. So ten years.



I'm pretty confident that Z6 is going to give me the look I want as I HAVE A BOTTLE and have been using it. Z6 was the original bling thing when there was no Z8, Z-2 pro and Z-5 came in a black bottle.



I'd rather not give Sal anymore of my money since his fantastic Z-2 is what caused a bunch of deep etch waterspotting on a few of my vehicles.
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If you think Z-6 is "bling", you should try machine polishing the paint some time......



Z-6 isn't magic, it smells great and enhances gloss period.......



Z-8 is better stuff, pick up a bottle sometime.....



BTW, Zaino doesn't "cause" water etching. Water does........
 
i've tried surfcity hot rod detailer and had excellent results, i beleive it's a sealant qd, very glossy.
 
Dave1 said:
If you think Z-6 is "bling", you should try machine polishing the paint some time......



Z-6 isn't magic, it smells great and enhances gloss period.......



Z-8 is better stuff, pick up a bottle sometime.....



BTW, Zaino doesn't "cause" water etching. Water does........
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You might want to try asking a few questions instead of posting all the answers sometime. You really come across as a know-it-all.
 
You like Z-6 because it creates a "plasticky" look, but don't like Zaino because Z-2 caused water spots? If I don't like 1 item in a manufacturer's arsenal, I don't boycot the whole line if the other stuff is good. Sal must have pissed in your corn flakes because this thread doesn't make any sense.
 
David Fermani said:
You like Z-6 because it creates a "plasticky" look, but don't like Zaino because Z-2 caused water spots? If I don't like 1 item in a manufacturer's arsenal, I don't boycot the whole line if the other stuff is good. Sal must have pissed in your corn flakes because this thread doesn't make any sense.
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I happen to like the laminated plastic look on silver. Silver has very little depth and i like the way Z6 looks on silver. I (and others) have had waterspotting issues with Z2. Having to spend hours (not polishing, becuase I obiously didn't do that) and valuable clear coat, trying to remedy the issue, has made me not like the brand.



The thing I love about people who like Zaino, you are wrong if you have a different opinion. Zaino is the Scientology of the detailing product world.



Oh, and David, it wasn't the Zaino that caused the water spots, it was the water!
 
tfonseca said:
I've notice the water spot problem while using Z2P, but after I apply Z-CS over it, the problem disappeared.
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Very interesting. Does Z-CS bead like Z2p? I've wondered if it has to do with the way Z2p beads so tightly and then these beads bake on in the sun.
 
wfedwar said:
Very interesting. Does Z-CS bead like Z2p? I've wondered if it has to do with the way Z2p beads so tightly and then these beads bake on in the sun.
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The beading doesn't seem to be quite as intense with the Z-CS.
 
getcha said:
Thats really interesting wannafbody.. I had a vehicle with notoriously soft paint. It had some Collinite 476(that had been on approximately 6 months at the time with no top up) on it.



I came to my park after being parked for a few days outside(had no other choice at the time) to find tons of water spots, and a couple bird deuces baked on it. I check the forecast after and it was sunny with some T-storm/showers - a perfect recipe for etching :)



I washed the car and after my pre winter prep - of stripping, inspecting and sealing I had remembered the spots.. during the inspection there wasnt a single trace of etching.



I trust 476 - that stinks you had a bad experience with it
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I've used the 845. The biggest issue I had with 845 was when I used it over vinyl stripes. After about a year they were so water spotted that I had to remove them. I tried every cleaner available and they would not come clean.
 
Dave1 said:
BTW, Zaino doesn't "cause" water etching. Water does........
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You're right. Zaino does not cause water spot etching. It doesn't protect very well against them, either.



My short story: Bought my Accord new in 2002. Occasional wax with OTC waxes and such. Paint always looked beautiful. 4 years later, discovered Autopia. tried Zaino and was blown away by the shine. Applied Z2, Z6, and Z8 every other month. Over the next year, paint became permanently damaged by water spot etching. Polished out etching best I could and topped with 845. 1 year, no problems. Got lazy, didn't feel like waxing, applied Z8 twice after regular washes. Severe etching is back. The paint still looks very glossy but the damage is permanent. It can't even be wet sanded out.



Note: This is not a dis on Zaino. My conditions, environment, previous wax, municipal water, weather, all may have contributed to my issues. If my car were parked under cover at work, I would still be using Z2, but I have to do what I have to do to protect my cars.
 
mborner said:
You're right. Zaino does not cause water spot etching. It doesn't protect very well against them, either.



My short story: Bought my Accord new in 2002. Occasional wax with OTC waxes and such. Paint always looked beautiful. 4 years later, discovered Autopia. tried Zaino and was blown away by the shine. Applied Z2, Z6, and Z8 every other month. Over the next year, paint became permanently damaged by water spot etching. Polished out etching best I could and topped with 845. 1 year, no problems. Got lazy, didn't feel like waxing, applied Z8 twice after regular washes. Severe etching is back. The paint still looks very glossy but the damage is permanent. It can't even be wet sanded out.



Note: This is not a dis on Zaino. My conditions, environment, previous wax, municipal water, weather, all may have contributed to my issues. If my car were parked under cover at work, I would still be using Z2, but I have to do what I have to do to protect my cars.
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What part of the country are you in?
 
mborner said:
You're right. Zaino does not cause water spot etching. It doesn't protect very well against them, either.



My short story: Bought my Accord new in 2002. Occasional wax with OTC waxes and such. Paint always looked beautiful. 4 years later, discovered Autopia. tried Zaino and was blown away by the shine. Applied Z2, Z6, and Z8 every other month. Over the next year, paint became permanently damaged by water spot etching. Polished out etching best I could and topped with 845. 1 year, no problems. Got lazy, didn't feel like waxing, applied Z8 twice after regular washes. Severe etching is back. The paint still looks very glossy but the damage is permanent. It can't even be wet sanded out.



Note: This is not a dis on Zaino. My conditions, environment, previous wax, municipal water, weather, all may have contributed to my issues. If my car were parked under cover at work, I would still be using Z2, but I have to do what I have to do to protect my cars.
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Since this thread is heading into the waterspot issue, the few of us in here that chimed up aren't the only ones with this issue. There are plenty of other posts around here with the same results. This problem has existed as long as Zaino has been around.



My neighbor, who I got hooked on Zaino pointed the issue out to me (01 or 02 I think). I didn't have the issue at all, and we parked with a hundred feet of each other. The only difference I could see is that I was applying a fresh coat of Z2 and Z6 after almost every wash. He wasn't.



Then I started getting slack about re-applying after every wash. The surface was still beading, so I figured it was fine. That is when my paint started getting water spots. My guess was, whatever WAS protecting, was gone.



And there are plenty of people that don't have any issues either. My guess is they park indoors or re-apply frequently.



One thing is certain, there are plenty of Zaino fans that come out and tell you that you are wrong for observing this issue.
 
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mborner said:
My short story: Bought my Accord new in 2002. Occasional wax with OTC waxes and such. Paint always looked beautiful. 4 years later, discovered Autopia. tried Zaino and was blown away by the shine. Applied Z2, Z6, and Z8 every other month. Over the next year, paint became permanently damaged by water spot etching. Polished out etching best I could and topped with 845. 1 year, no problems. Got lazy, didn't feel like waxing, applied Z8 twice after regular washes. Severe etching is back. The paint still looks very glossy but the damage is permanent. It can't even be wet sanded out.
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I feel your pain. I have a 4Runner with permanent etching on the hood that appeared after only a couple of months while wearing Zaino. I had similar etching on my truck, but caught it before it became permanent. Pollen+light rain+Zaino seemed to cause the problem very quickly. I've talked to swimming pool owners in my area and they tell me it is almost impossible to keep the pH up when pollen is bad. This is probably specific to the plants in your area, but for me it means pollen is acidic. Couple that with a strong-beading sealant that offers little protection and you get problems. That last sentence is my read on the issue. I've tried a lot of sealants and waxes and the most protective I've found are the acrylic sealants (Klasse, Werkstat). This makes sense, as they are weaker beading and the polymer is acidic itself, and therefore not as vulnerable to attack by another acid. There is/was a thread on the OCC board where Dr. G described this very same thing, and as I remember he listed protection from acid rain spots as one dimension where acrylic polymer sealants outperformed other sealants.
 
I've been using Zaino for at least 6 years and have never had an issue with waterspots. I usually go at least 6 months btween applications.
 
wfedwar said:
I feel your pain. I have a 4Runner with permanent etching on the hood that appeared after only a couple of months while wearing Zaino. I had similar etching on my truck, but caught it before it became permanent. Pollen+light rain+Zaino seemed to cause the problem very quickly. I've talked to swimming pool owners in my area and they tell me it is almost impossible to keep the pH up when pollen is bad. This is probably specific to the plants in your area, but for me it means pollen is acidic. Couple that with a strong-beading sealant that offers little protection and you get problems. That last sentence is my read on the issue. I've tried a lot of sealants and waxes and the most protective I've found are the acrylic sealants (Klasse, Werkstat). This makes sense, as they are weaker beading and the polymer is acidic itself, and therefore not as vulnerable to attack by another acid. There is/was a thread on the OCC board where Dr. G described this very same thing, and as I remember he listed protection from acid rain spots as one dimension where acrylic polymer sealants outperformed other sealants.
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Interesting. The area I live in has some pretty strong acid rain.



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