Would you believe ANOTHER ONR thread????

Harder how?



On my own car I don't even seal/wax the rims since whatever ONR leaves behind let's me just wipe away the break dust at the next wash. I can't remember the last time I used a dedicated break dust cleaner on my own car.
 
Scottwax said:
Regular brake dust build-up, even if it is heavy is easily removed with ONR. Next time I run across a really filthy wheel I'll either take pictures or video the process.
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-- That'd be great, thanks! I just got my bottle of ONR in today so I'm going to give it a try in the near future...thanks for all the help.
 
lecchilo said:
For all those ONR users, I would really love to see a video of the wheel/wheel well cleaning as well as washing off dried on mud/dirt from after it rains and sits a few days... a hose or powerwash gets most of the stuff off fairly easily and I don't see ONR doing it effectively... I would assume the only way to do it would be as with bugs, by leaving the towel with ONR on top of the mud to loosen it and lift it, but that's a huge waste of time when you can just spray it off...



Scott, the video you have up shows the process well and obviously leaves a great surface, but that paint is very clean to begin with.



Don't get me wrong, I started using ONR recently on my M3 as it never really gets dirty, unless it rains hard and I let it sit for a day or two after a rain, so it's not like I'm bashing ONR, just thinking out loud that it has its limits...
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I don't have any problems after a week with water spots, etc. Just comes right off with a spritz, hit with mitt, and wipe dry. Same with the brake dust from my Brembos.



Also got pretty clean my other car that I didn't wash in a few months. My mitt got pretty dirty, but that's what the GG is for.



As for time, I can do a ONR wash in about half the time of a regular wash.
 
lecchilo said:
For all those ONR users, I would really love to see a video of the wheel/wheel well cleaning as well as washing off dried on mud/dirt from after it rains and sits a few days... a hose or powerwash gets most of the stuff off fairly easily and I don't see ONR doing it effectively... I would assume the only way to do it would be as with bugs, by leaving the towel with ONR on top of the mud to loosen it and lift it, but that's a huge waste of time when you can just spray it off...
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There are limits to what ONR can clean and when you get into caked on mud (more than just film) you do need to pre-rinse the car. As far as bugs go, you can't always simply spray them off. Some bug residue needs to be physically abraded to be completely removed.



Scott, the video you have up shows the process well and obviously leaves a great surface, but that paint is very clean to begin with.
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This Cayenne was pretty dirty.



YouTube - Washing a Cayenne with ONR



Don't get me wrong, I started using ONR recently on my M3 as it never really gets dirty, unless it rains hard and I let it sit for a day or two after a rain, so it's not like I'm bashing ONR, just thinking out loud that it has its limits...
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Yes, it does have its limits but they are higher than you think. ;)
 
Dsoto87 said:
Harder how?



On my own car I don't even seal/wax the rims since whatever ONR leaves behind let's me just wipe away the break dust at the next wash. I can't remember the last time I used a dedicated break dust cleaner on my own car.
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The brake dust takes more effort/shampoo mix/time to wash off. It's simply tougher...like it adheres to the wheels/tires more for some reason. This is a consistent issue for me, happens every time I ONR my wheels/tires between regular washes :nixweiss



Additional info: the wheels are all well-LSPed with various products, the tires are both dressed (Z16) and not. The ONR is mixed with di water and I've tried various strengths. I've tried different QDs (also tried using none) after the ONR washes to see if that makes a diff and it didn't.



I have different brake pads on the various vehicles in question.



FWIW, my conventional wheel/tire washing is almost always done with shampoo mix (not Wheel Cleaner) and goes *very* fast and easy, even when the wheels are utterly black with dust; it just washes off with minimal effort. I suspect that's part of why I notice a diff at all.



Don't take this as a slam against ONR or anything like that..I like being able to clean the wheels/tires without worrying about getting any overspray on the rest of the vehicle. I just wonder why it works out for me the way it does :think:
 
Could it be a possibility that its the 425? Do you spritz it also when you clean them with a regular shampoo?



Just wondering why your getting this with ONR incase I ever come across this situation.



Edit: what wash media are you using on the rims? I found that short looped mfs worked the best for me.
 
Dsoto87 said:
Could it be a possibility that its the 425? Do you spritz it also when you clean them with a regular shampoo?
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That was one of the first things that crossed my mind too. I almost always use it when I wash conventionally and I've tried other QDs in its place with no difference. Not using *any* QD makes the problem a little bit worse, same as it does with conventional washing.



Just wondering why your getting this with ONR incase I ever come across this situation.
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's enough to make me :think: and take notice but it's not a *big* deal by any means.



Biggest thing is the tires...they just don't come very clean with the ONR approach and I have to then clean them so aggressively that I have to redo the Z16 on the ones I dress.

Edit: what wash media are you using on the rims? I found that short looped mfs worked the best for me.
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Even with the ONR I use BHBs for the initial work (in case there are any "big chunks" of stuff). Then I follow up with either MFs or grout sponges, though I have to use BHBs or swabs around the lugs and in the valvestem recess.



I tend to prefer longer-nap MFs, but they sure can retain [stuff]!
 
Accumulator said:
The brake dust takes more effort/shampoo mix/time to wash off. It's simply tougher...like it adheres to the wheels/tires more for some reason. This is a consistent issue for me, happens every time I ONR my wheels/tires between regular washes :nixweiss



Additional info: the wheels are all well-LSPed with various products, the tires are both dressed (Z16) and not. The ONR is mixed with di water and I've tried various strengths. I've tried different QDs (also tried using none) after the ONR washes to see if that makes a diff and it didn't.



I have different brake pads on the various vehicles in question.



FWIW, my conventional wheel/tire washing is almost always done with shampoo mix (not Wheel Cleaner) and goes *very* fast and easy, even when the wheels are utterly black with dust; it just washes off with minimal effort. I suspect that's part of why I notice a diff at all.



Don't take this as a slam against ONR or anything like that..I like being able to clean the wheels/tires without worrying about getting any overspray on the rest of the vehicle. I just wonder why it works out for me the way it does :think:
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Hmm, interesting. I have no idea why I get different results as you do. Partly because I don't know what (if anything) was applied to the wheels before I got the car. But it was pretty well taken care of before I got it, so I assume something was put on the wheels.



I seem to get brake dust after about three feet. I accidentally forgot to wash the wheels last weekend. So on Tuesday, I did a quick ONR wash. Spray liberally on a dry car with a 2 gal insect sprayer, wash with a sheepskin mitt, then wipe dry with a Eurow MF. And, again, I forgot to wash the wheels. So I spayed a minor amount of OID (not ONR diluted) and wiped clean with the same MF.



I honestly don't pay too much attention to if the tires are clean vs dirty. I honestly can't tell. I hit it with my favorite dressing on a foam applicator and call it a day. And like I said, the pads on my car are notorious for dusting. I wish you got the same results I do, because I love how easy it is. Ten minutes start to finish.
 
I cleaned up the following 5th wheel hauler using pre-wash ONR spray at regular wash mix followed up using Lowe’s grout sponge and 2 bucket method.



Some areas had our Georgia red clay ½ inch thick where I had to wipe two or three times to remove all the layers of clay. Grit Guard was very useful.

Link to dirty 5th wheel hauler – 69 pictures

Link to clean 5th wheel hauler – 51 pictures 8 of the fox in my yard.

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CocheseUGA- Heh heh, believe me, *I* wish I got the same results as other people... in a whole lot of different situations :D Sure would make my life a lot easier!



Funny you don't notice soiling on your tires though, especially with your dusty brake pads. The soft summer-only tires on the S8 are especially bad, can't scrub them too hard or the rubber mars.



But oddly enough the MPV is the worst by far. I put some aftermarket pads on it (Hawks, IIRC) and while they were an *amazing* upgrade over the oe pads (no longer replacing rotors on a regular basis, among other improvements) they make a *ton* of pinkish/brown dust, worse than any of my German sports cars ever did. Using ONR on those wheels is what originally got my attention regarding the subsequent cleanups.
 
TortoiseAWD said:
You only wash a panel or two at a time, then go back and dry those sections. With ONR, you shouldn't ever run into water spots because the wash solution doesn't have time to dry.





And, since we're talking about ONR wash methods . . .



I use an old Sonus buffing towel (microfiber, but feels more like cotton terry) as my wash media. I get the bulk of the dirt off of a panel with one side of the towel, then flip to a clean side for my final wipe on the panel. Then, to dry, I use two MF hand towels. One is dampened with ONR solution (dunk it, wring it out as much as possible), the other is just dry. I use the damp towel first, for two reasons: First, with our hard water, anything but brand-spanking new MF just doesn't absorb quickly until it's damp - it tends to just push water around. Second, I figure the damp towel has at least a little lubrication to it just in case I missed any dirt with my wash towel. Then, to finish, I follow with the completely dry towel to get the tiny amount of wash solution left behind from the damp towel.



FWIW,

Tort
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Yes I understand that, I use ONR on a regular bases. My question about water spotting was directed towards to bolded quote below.



Dsoto87 said:
Being in texas, onr is made for people like you. Mix 2 gallons of distilled water and you won't even have to touch your car to dry. As long as your wash media is removing everything than it will dry streak free.
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Who uses two buckets, and what is your reasoning?



I've been using one bucket of ONR along with my sprayer, and wonder if I'm missing something.
 
CocheseUGA said:
Who uses two buckets, and what is your reasoning?
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Same reason as always with the TBM (or is it "2BM" :think: ).



Using a rinse bucket makes it possible to get some of the dirt off the mitt before redunking it in the wash bucket, thus avoiding contaminating the wash mix with dirt and thus lessening the chance of marring.



In my somewhat limited experience with it, ONR makes dirt stick to the wash medium, so I bet this isn't *nearly* as significant as when washing with conventional shampoos. But hey...erring on the side of caution isn't something I'm gonna criticize.
 
OK. I would have thought using a GG in one bucket would do about the same thing, as I've heard about others doing.



Just looking for opinions.
 
When doing just an ONR I use the 2BM and both are fill at wash dilution. The rinse bucket gets the grit guard and an additional "paint grid" for five gal buckets. I swish the dirty wash media in the rinse solution, rub along the paint grid then in the wash bucket it goes. Between this and a 1 gal sprayer I use more solution than most, as I don't totally trust using it the way it's recommended.
 
Well I finally used it a few times.



I have been the biggest skeptic of ONR (still am not 100%) but it does a good job 'washing' a car and lift all the light 'dirt' with ease. I used the recommended 1oz/2gal ratio with a detailedimage.com sheepskin mitt and then about 4 gallons in the rinse bucket. It was fairly quick and easy, and with more practice I'm sure I can do the ONR wash in half the time I do the 'traditional' wash.



Here are my thoughts...



First of all, it's obviously much easier in the sense that it's faster, not a lot of mess as far as water is concerned, and it's fairly economical as far as ONR to water ratio goes. It's very easy to do and the dirt from my M3, which was the result of 1-2 days of rain and has been dry on the paint for roughly 2 days, in pretty sunny weather, was lifted completely with 1 or 2 passes with the wash mitt.



The 'bad' part of it, for me, is this:



1. I see no way of doing a prep wash with ONR because, while I do believe ONR works the way it should in that it encapsulates dirt and lifts it off the surface, I don't see it working well if I mix Hi Temp Prep wash or P21S TAW in the bucket, or just spray with HTPW or TAW then use ONR.

1a. It takes away my foam gun step, which I've come to love unconditionally (2oz CGCWG, 2oz HTPW and 8oz. water in the Gilmour, at 6oz./gal)



2. Unless I had to, I don't see myself using ONR for wheel wells and tires (wheels yes) over spraying them with APC+ and agitating with a brush, then spraying off with the hose.



3. I don't find it too convenient overall, but that might change with more use.



All in all, it's a great product and I will be using it from now on as a quick wash when my M3 gets some light rain on it... I'm hoping to do a full correction on my car as it's pretty swirled up, then I will wash it half/half just to see how ONR compares to the traditional 2-bucket method. I'll do the traditional wash first, then just leave the water on the ONR side for the ONR wash (which should only help the lubricity, I assume)



In conclusion, it's definitely worth trying out and while I'm still skeptical I'm leaning more and more towards the idea that it really won't marr paint much more or at all when compared to the traditional wash.



ps. it's a great clay lube and makes lube CHEAP!
 
ONR is truly amazing in my eyes! I now only use it to clean the entire car. Due to my busy schedule, I only have time to wash my car at night, so I use ONR under halogens to safely and effectively get the job done. It is such a blessing to not have weather or daylight affect the process whatsoever. I also enjoy the fact that I can do everything in sections by taking breaks in between, without worrying about water spots. It is the only was I will clean my delicate and expensive Volk wheels. A problem I recently reminded of with conventional washing of wheels was the corrosion of the break rotors. I sprayed down my wheels with the hose after using ARO on the tires and wheel wells. I then proceeded to wash the rims with ONR. I use a leaf blower to dry the partially dry the wheels by getting the majority of the water out of cracks and crevices. Then I proceed to dry the rest of the wheel with a plush MF towel. Using the leaf blower allows the brake rotors to fully dry so when I take the car around the corner, I don't get as much brake dust fly off from the rotors. It is much worse when a hose is used than a 2 gal sprayer, since the rotor doesn't get as drenched would with a hose, also minimizing the amount of dust fly off on the wheels. With my rims since they are 5 spoke, with exposed inner barrels, this can be a huge problem. With ONR, this headache is greatly minimized.



ONR also leaves a protective and glossy finish on the paint and wheels which makes you not have to QD directly after a wash to get the look you want. For example, I detailed my dad's gray '05 BMW 530i after it had been threw 2 rainstorms and hadn't been washed in a month. I had to use ARO to clean the wheels and wells traditional wash method, but the rest of the car was ONR'd after being sprayed down with a hose. When I was all done the car looked the best it had looked in a very long time. My dad was stunned with how good it looked and asked what I had used on the paint since it looked so good. BTW, the car has not been waxed in a very long time.



When I wash my car, on the paint I use distilled water with ONR after the car has been pre-rinsed with my 2 gal sprayer with ONR at QD strength. Distilled water makes a huge difference since I can wipe of the water with only one drying pass and have no spots, unlike tap water. A huge plus!



For the marring speculation, I believe it is possible to have limited to no marring with this method. I recently got my aftermarket front bumper painted and knew that this was my chance to truly test its claim of a mar-free wash. I use a MF sponge, and am very careful. I dry it only with my best plush MF towels. I take extra time on the front bumper since I spent so much and want it to stay truly perfect. To my surprise, under halogens, and direct sunlight, no swirls are present to this day! The bumper is about a month old and my car is a DD.



Well that is my ONR story! I hope it helped clear up some speculation about the product. For me, it is one product I could truly not live without due to all its uses.
 
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