Worst thing you've ever seen a dealer do

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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Yell00ITR [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Yup, 2 coats about 1.5 hours apart. It provided amazing results. Too bad the car has only been washed once since then (at an auto car wash too!!). Arghh..the vicious cycle repeats itself... [/b]</blockquote>
LOL, some people just don't learn!
 
I bought Zaino because I was getting what I considered to be a "hobby car" and I wanted to use the most hi-tech stuff out there. I kept on hearing about Zaino (from zaino-zealots, apparently ;) ) on the Corvette forums and I did a search on it. That's how I found this forum! Anyway, when I saw that I had to mail-order it by printing out a form and mailing in a check I just chalked it up to a case of a small outfit not being very net-savvy. No big deal, especially if you know how daunting it can be for a business to go online when you are small and busy.



So, it wasn't that I thought I had scored something that makes me special - it was that so many guys with awesome photos of their vettes told me what they used to make them look that way and I went out and got me some too!



That said, I am very interested in trying the Blackfire stuff. I almost pulled the trigger yesterday but I let common sense prevail - I don't have anything to try it on right now! Next spring, as long as the reviews here are positive (and I have no doubt they will be) I will get the basic kit and do the Expedition or my wifes car. The vette will stay with Zaino for now because it is just looking gorgeous!



Off the detailing topic...



BTW, I just bought a 10 yr/100,000 mile extended warranty on the vette today - $1200 with 0 deductable. Thought it was a good deal considering that the GM mnfr warranty is just 2yr/36000 and I will have the car for awhile I hope. And it can be transferred if I sell it at some point. If anybody wants to know where I got it, send me an email. You can get one for almost any car as long as it has a little bit of the mnfr warranty left and is as good as their warranty in most all cases. I also got my insurance for the car set up so that they will total the car for any damage beyond 25% of the purchase price for 2 years.
 
LOL..just got a friendly letter from Geocities that you guys are looking at my page too much and they now want $$ :)



Oh well, looks like the site will be down for a day or two.
 
I first heard about Zaino on this forum just before taking delivery on my new 2001 BMW 330i. The thing that sold me was that Detailking has a car just like mine and the results that I saw were breathtaking to me alone.



I wanted something right off the bat that would do a good job. I also wanted something that would last longer then a wax based product. I give high makes to Z-1, Z-2, Z-6, Z-16, Z-7 and both leather care products. That is just about all of the products. I however am not impressed with Z-5 or the glass polish. There are better things on the market.



In my experiance the Zaino did not work well on my wife's Toyota 4Runner. Go figure. So since it's a bigger area to protect I've gone a different route and I like the results. I also needed to use a rotary buffer to remove all the swirls and scratches I, myself put into the finish.



I guess I'm bummed out that I have to send money via "snail mail" across country, but that's how it has to be. My local distributor is a putz and has not returned any calls in two months! Oh well.



Question: "How much popcorn can you hold in a closed fist?" Answer: "None"



Question: "How much popcorn can you hold if you open your hands and put them together?"



Answer: "A lot!"



The point, I need to be willing to keep an open mind and I'll benifit from that. If I shut my mind to new things I'll never learn or enjoy. Same thing with detailing a car, or truck. I need to keep my mind open and I'll reap the rewards.



Also I need to be able to say "Man my head was up my butthole on that one!" That way I can maintain some level of objectivity.



Regards, fellow autoholics :D
 
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BTW, I just bought a 10 yr/100,000 mile extended warranty on the vette today - $1200 with 0 deductable. Thought it was a good deal considering that the GM mnfr warranty is just 2yr/36000 and I will have the car for awhile I hope. And it can be transferred if I sell it at some point. If anybody wants to know where I got it, send me an email. You can get one for almost any car as long as it has a little bit of the mnfr warranty left and is as good as their warranty in most all cases.


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I was thinking of getting one also. I think warrantydirect.com has some good deals right now. I found out about them on this site:
http://www.carbuyingtips.com/ . This site has a lot of useful information.
 
How come the "bad apple" Zaino users put sooo much negativity in their posts?



Do they not realize that being pushy and mean, results in getting people to NOT try the product?



What happened to posts like, hey guys, I really like this Zaino stuff, you guys should try it out if you get the chance, especially if you have a silver car cause it doesn't darken the shine.



not OPTICALLY PERFECT, ZAINO ALL THE WAY, NOTHING ELSE, KLASSE SUX IN EVERY, OPTICALLY PERFECT DJDFLAKDJLFALDLFAL (remember not all bad apples just a few)



This isn't the media so bad plublicity is bad, not good.



BTW, optically perfect means clear so then you can't see it, right? haha, j/k



okay, i'm done, with my couple of pennies
 
Yep, Ecklers.com has great service and quick delivery. Thats where I got my Zaino... with a <strong class='bbc'>credit-card[/b] :eek:

j/k
 
when i went to the site...all they had was the Z-16...nothing else..i even did a search on their site and thats all that showed up....that was a mth ago...did it change now...ill check it out...great if it did...



cool....they have it....i msu have searched under parts or sumthin by mistake...thx guys...
 
WOW is all I can say to this long thread.



Seems people hate it or love it. Oh well.



BTW is there any product that everyone likes? I hope not else there would be no improvements in products.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by FLONI [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>its so weird....i cant find too many posts/threads...where Zaino guys bash so many other products..... [/b]</blockquote>I have used Zaino since the summer of 1998 when I first read about it in Edmunds Town Hall. I hope I haven't come off like some of the people you describe above. I have not tried all the wax/polish products out there, but over the years, I have tried many!

Personally, I don't care what anyone uses on their car. I just know and see what Zaino has done to the two cars I have used it on so far. Yes, I admit that I'm a Zainoholic and love the ease of use, durability and the wet-look shine. I'm sure that people think I spend 24/7 keeping my car looking like that, but that's not true at all. I think all my pics speak for themselves.

As for mail order only- what's the big deal? Sal doesn't wait 7-10 days for a check to clear. Your order is shipped out the same day he receives it. Credit cards would certainly add to the cost of his products. All you have to do is plan ahead a little.

For those who seem to have trouble with drying times, the new ZFX will solve that. I can understand the frustration of those who have had to wait hours or overnight for their Z to dry. I have never had that problem. If I did, then I would probably not be using Zaino because I do not have the time to wait for something to dry overnight, especially if I want to use the car the same day! I would think that if you used too much of any wax/polish, you would have the same problem. Also, if it's too humid out, that would affect any wax/polish as to drying times. I tried ZFX twice so far- last June and last week. I only had a trial size of the additive. The pics are below. Looks like I'll be putting more on today since the weather here in CT looks nice. Right now it's 33, but it's going up to 54 later on today.

BTW, my car is a daily driver and is garaged at night. Since 3/28/01 I have 10,400+ miles on it so far and 13 coats of Z2/Z5/Z6. It takes me no time at all to apply and wipe off.

It's your car, your time and your money, so use what works best for you. I know what works for me.
 
you come off fine buddy...i dont think there's any of these "bad apples" as steve referred to on here....not that i see anyway....like i said earlier...99% of the posts/threads are friendly banter like....once in a while someone gets their shorts in a bind and i honestly believe that most of that is not how it was written but how someone read it....ya know you post something...and then someone reads it and writes a response and you say...how the heck did this person think i meant that....but then its too late....we all bring to the table all our own little thoughts and when we read others stuff....those are the things that shape how we interpret what we"think" someone meant.....as u can tell from my post here...my new philosophy is too bore you guys to death with long repetitive posts that put u to sleep....so no one ever gets mad at me because they cant stay awake long enough to read the whole thing.....





:p



ps....I usually leave the Zaino on for about 1-2 hrs depending like u said on the weather(humidity)....i dont think 1-2 hrs is a long time to wait....i just go do stuff in the house....to each his own....cant wait to try ZFX...or Blackfire.....i'll need some stuff just before Xmas so i hope lots of reviews of each are out by then(i hope the friggin ZFX itself is at least out by then).....
 
Floni you weren't around during the times of people coming into my chat room impersonating other Zaino users and pushing other chatters around. Telling them Klasse and Microfiber suck and that Zaino is more optically pure. I asked the guy if he's even used Klasse and the answer was, no because it sucks and Zaino is more optically pure. Then he started going off about the product and everything that it does. Finally that guy (on two occasions) said that we are all idiouts and a few other explitaves, telling us all to f off and saying autopians were clueless. That guy new everything about Zaino and he know's of this place since this is the place I post chatrooms as they are going on. What he (or they) didn't realize is that I know all the respected zaino users on this forum by name and that anyone he would try to impersonate would be blatently obvious.



A week later there was some swift rebuttle from by some "angered" Klasse users as a result of this stir, and that's when DK started to defend Z and then a small chain reaction began. I'm always on this thing so I get to see the dynamics of this forum and how it changes, and also how it keeps once veteran regulars from wanting to post.



This whole Z vs K thing wouldn't be around had it not been for both sides crossing the line every once in a while, but don't think that it's not there.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by YoSteve.Com [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Floni you weren't around during the times of people coming into my chat room impersonating other Zaino users and pushing other chatters around. [/b]</blockquote>
YoSteve.com-

:o That's the same thing that happened in Edmunds TH. It really does get silly. People really think they're anonymous here. I'm new to this forum, but not to Zaino. One thing I'm not sure about from your post- are you saying that DK changed his tune once he knew that YOU knew who he was?

Just curious. Like to keep things straight in my mind. Not sure yet who the "good" guys are.:confused:
 
Floni as usual good post. Messageing and emailing is an indelicate form of communication. It doesn't flow smoothly. In a converstion you can say more with a raised eyebrow than you can with a page of paragraphs.



Steve, I really like your posts too but, I'd appreciate if you don't drag the controversial content of some other chat room to this bbs. Like Floni said I really don't see members here being slammed or having their intelligence questioned just because they use another group of products. I hope that it stays that way.



I dig that people are passionate about the products that work for them. That passion for clean machines is what draws us all to this site. Furthermore there is nothing wrong with disagreement. A debate that is civil and maintains decorum and respect for others, can be a great read and source of information for all the other members.



Personally I try to handle controversial topics by saying this is why I do it this way or this is why I believe it to be this way, just my .02 imho etc. The readers can and will decide for themselves.







Steve please don't get me wrong I'm not getting down on you. It's just my humble request.
 
i totally understand what ur saying....fortunatley/unfortuantely....i was here when all what u decribed was going on in your chatroom...i haden't gone to your chatroom by then but i read the posts by Dk and you etc...back then....i remeber u saying that u knew these guys were not who they said they were.....i think we're all on here a lot....i mean i cant imagine too many people(losers like myself..lol..)... being on here as much as me......unfortunately for you guys...:D i am lucky that as i work i also am online...sending stuff back and forth....so im pretty much always on here.....i think most of the psychos that did that to you are not regular memebers like u said....theye were nuts and just wanted to cause trouble.....i wasnt here when the "veterans' and you first started and i agree when it gets heated ive seen that they dont want to post.....to me thats a choice someone makes....i see threads all the time where the conversation leaves me lacking an opinion and i just......dont post there...so what....if people get crazy on here...and start "flaming' everybody....and the veterans dont post.....the fact that the veterans...or me...or you...arent posting is irrelevant...the most most important thing is that these people are made to calm down...like has happened in the past by....all of us...and db...moderators...etc....and then that takes care of that and then i guess the veteran people come back after that.......



for the most part...i agree with u.....but again....do a search and show me some recent...say since i joined....about the past 2-3 mths....when zaino people went off on klasse people....saying that klasse sucks....or you a klaasehead...i ...have never been called the zaino names in a post or anything.....but as a person who never ruled klasse out as a product i really thinks its also crazy for the automatic response from a klasse user to call a zaino user a zealot or words to that effect.....so while i feel yes/.......it takes both sides.....zaino people think klasse is not as good becasue you need toppers(for the most partand klasse guys think zaino isnt as good because of the curing time and "complicated process" as its called....im sure that if either one went off the market....then guess what....each"camp" would go to the other....no more zaino around...i would do klasse....in a second.....because i respect the opinions of the people who use it....including yourself(dont get a bigger head)....



i just want to end by saying that for the most part....when isee a klasse thread i read it and maybe put little things in there that ive read u guys say....positive things.....trying to help someone out....with the little i know about klasse thats not much...:D ...but im telling you...maybe its a misperception on my part.....but if a zaino user posts something ...there will be at least 2-3 posts in there saying...looks shiny but it could look deeper with klasse....or how do u have the time to wait all day for the zaino to cure up....how do you get your supplies by using only snail mail...its a conspiracy...you guys are a cult.....sal is a marketing genius and is doing black-ops for us in afghanistan.....your right its silly and i hope that i in no way contribute to the sillyness....



ps...i hope my towels went out yesterday...and if this post in anyway effects the delivery of said Mf towels(ultimate towels) that just Pm me and i will delete it.....:p nothing comes between me and my MF's....;):D
 
fastdriver let me sum



after the heat of the bad apples I spoke of (not just in my chatroom) DK and the others got a little defensive (rightfully so). This was around the same time as some "imposters" said their stuff on the chat. Somewords were exchanged and I remember asking DK to settle down a little. There were a could of posts that were erased as the day went on. I think the "bad guys" is anyone who knocks another for using the product they use (not many of them these days, good thing).



Coupled with those events, semi-new Klasse users made little rebuttals shortly afterwards and the discussion has continued since.



Now many of you may not know all that and don't want to know all that but if you jump on any of the wagons that promote that type of behavior then you're heading in a wrong direction. I feel that since I love this place so much that education about what happened is better than shunning it away.



shortcut, my chat room, is just a small part of the big picture. I'm not offended in any way. I just pointed out what went on here on the boards, in that timeline since I was monitoring it as it happens, especially since DK and I frequent e-mail and AIM almost every day. He was wondering what was up and I was asking him and we both just sat there wondering why this is all going on. I get many an e-mail asking me what's up with DK and I tell each and every one of them the truth, that he's a nice guy who likes to boast about what he uses. He did get a little defensive, but we all do when we are attacked.



I think it's great we talk about Z vs K stuff, cause with every discussion the walls between the two gets weakened. If we keep our blinders on and ignore it, it just makes the walls higher. I think we are at the pinnacle of a complete compromise, way better then not to long ago.



For example the last Z vs K thread, actually entitled Zaino or Klasse, I believe was totally cool with no problems.



hope that explains it better including the reasons behind my efforts
 
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