Why all the negative attitudes toward KSG?
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I just wanted to be sure you understood where I was coming from. 
2wheelsx2
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Might be just that some people don't get used to applying SG the way it's particular composition requires. I know I got a bottle along with my AIO and didn't use it for a year after I tried it, because no matter what I did, it streaked. However, about 4 months ago, I decided to try it again, and experimented with the hood of my car how much to use so that it doesn't streak. It worked! Now that I have it figured out, I can get it perfect without streaking each time. I agree with others that have said that it's a bit finicky. But once you get it, it becomes a perfect base for winter protection. I too, do not like it on darker paints. I use UPP instead. However, I love it one white and the silvers I have tried it on.
I think it's just of those YMMV things.
I think it's just of those YMMV things.
imported_Burlyq
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I think people, me included, have gotten used to having our sealants being the easiest and funnest part of a detail. With SG that's not the case for me personally. In part it's the company's fault for not making a companion detail spray, or upgrading their product to make it more user friendly. Yes I know about Sonus but the point is klasse didn't make a klasse spray and I only learned about Sonus recently. I have a full bottle of SG and I probably will never get to the bottom of it. It's the last thing I grab for, but AIO is one of the first.
The Uncle said:
Being a noob I read this entire thread w/ great interest because have seen where some people here don't care for SG while others swear by it!
I'm like Uncle here and wondering also if perhaps SG "gets along" better w/ certain types of prep work rather than others? Say for instance, perhaps SG works better after AIO prep ( easier application & removal, etc. ) because they are from the same "family" rather than SSR2.5 or other polish products?
Just a theory . . .:nixweiss
I've always thought that SG is one of the most respected products here. I was originally put off by all the talk of how hard it was to use, but if you ignore all that and follow the instructions on the can, it's pretty simple I think. Thin, thin, thin, and then thinner. Two coats 24 hours apart.
Y'know what's funny? It's not really the right product for me personally, but I've shipped samples to maybe a dozen people over the last couple years, turning them on to it! I'm actually a zealot for a product I don't use!
Tom
Y'know what's funny? It's not really the right product for me personally, but I've shipped samples to maybe a dozen people over the last couple years, turning them on to it! I'm actually a zealot for a product I don't use!
Tom
2wheelsx2
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Mosca said:
That's hilarious, Tom!:xyxthumbs
But you're right, even if you don't like it yourself, you can't really knock KSG for its durability and finish.
imported_The Uncle
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I think we can assume that most of the AUTOPIA crowd is doing the right kind of surface prep, so that is probably not the issue.
I think we can also assume that most AUTOPIANS are using proper application strategies (re: thin layers).
So, I'm guessing that the real issue is paint. The stuff seems to work great on my Acura, and I love the look (but I like UPP and S100 much better).
Overall, I think both SG and AIO are wonderful products.
I think we can also assume that most AUTOPIANS are using proper application strategies (re: thin layers).
So, I'm guessing that the real issue is paint. The stuff seems to work great on my Acura, and I love the look (but I like UPP and S100 much better).
Overall, I think both SG and AIO are wonderful products.
2wheelsx2
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Clutch Cargo said:
SG isn't really compatible with water. As a matter of fact, most people will tell you that for maximum durability, to keep the car from getting wet if possible for 24 hours after applying SG.
The carnauba idea won't work either. The oils in the wax will prevent the SG from bonding, wasting your time.
The Uncle said:
I had no problems with the look of SG, shined like crazy but it didn't deepen the color and finish of my red Audi like EX or a carnauba does. I love AIO, use it as a base on all my cars.
In fact, sometimes I think it looks better by itself than AIO + SG but I usually top it w/a carnauba or EX. How does UPP differ in looks/durability to SG? I have a bottle coming in the mail I plan on using on my redrock pearl MDX.
Accumulator
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gearhead said:
You'll really have to see for yourself, but IMO the UPP gives a look that's both more carnauba-like (decent depth and "richness", even on silver) and also has sharper, more shiny reflections. And the UPP makes the metallic on my silver Audi "pop" like nothing else ever has; you really appreciate the metallic aspect of it. Like the best "SG with a topper" combo ever.
But note that this is after extensive polishing (way past what seems necessary for marring removal) with the final polishing being several passes with 1Z Pro MP using progressively softer pads and less pressure. With less extensive polishing some of the finer points might not show up. But I still like the look far better than SG.
One thing to watch out for is your paint's orangepeel. UPP makes the orangepeel more noticeable.
I am in the same boat, I have a jug of SG on the shelf and just can't bring myself to use it.
It is a pain for me to remove and when detailing I just can't bring myself to risk using it and taking up alot of time w/ removal? I wish I knew what to do? I just don't think it is detailer friendly but is car enthusiast friendly.
Anybody ever try w/ PC?
It is a pain for me to remove and when detailing I just can't bring myself to risk using it and taking up alot of time w/ removal? I wish I knew what to do? I just don't think it is detailer friendly but is car enthusiast friendly.
Anybody ever try w/ PC?
I love SG even though it's very tough to remove for me. I attribute this removal issue to the humid climate I live in (Arkansas). If I put it on thin enough, it will remove easily whether I wait 10 seconds or 24 hours; BUT, it's difficult to apply this VERY thin coat consistently and with any assurance of good coverage (it's invisible).
So, I don't worry about applying a super-thin coat. I just apply sparingly (but visibly) with MF foam pad, and go straight to the Sonus Acrylic Spritz to remove. I use 1 oz of SG and a bit less than 2 oz of the Spritz per layer. It's a painless, trouble-free experience.
Mikeman out
So, I don't worry about applying a super-thin coat. I just apply sparingly (but visibly) with MF foam pad, and go straight to the Sonus Acrylic Spritz to remove. I use 1 oz of SG and a bit less than 2 oz of the Spritz per layer. It's a painless, trouble-free experience.
Mikeman out
imported_Sullybob
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I didn't have any trouble with SG when I lived in Pittsburgh. Now that I live in California I am having some problems. At first I thought that I must be using to much. I got a 4 ounce dispencer, marked lines on it at the ounce interval and then put in two ounces of SG. Gusess what? I put 1/2 (Yes, one half) ounce of SG on my car. Seems like thats a pretty thin coat to me.
I was having trouble with the WOWO method so I said screw it. Put SG on the whole car. Did the interior, trunk, dressed the tires and wheel well. Then did the interior on my other car. I then used Mothers OD to remove the SG. Worked like a champ.
I was having trouble with the WOWO method so I said screw it. Put SG on the whole car. Did the interior, trunk, dressed the tires and wheel well. Then did the interior on my other car. I then used Mothers OD to remove the SG. Worked like a champ.
Hmmm.....it's interesting that SG is difficult to remove in California too. I would expect the average humidity to be much less there than in Arkansas. Perhaps humidity is not a factor in SG removal problems. Maybe it is strictly a matter of how much product is applied. In any case, QDs or even water make SG removal a breeze. I stick with the Sonus Spritz because I get the impression it was developed with the Klasse Twins in mind. DavidB even posted once that mixing 75% SG with 25% Sonus Acrylic Spritz made SG application easier. I assume this means applying a super-thin coat would be easier. I've never tried this because I haven't needed to go that far to solve the removal problem. A little QD on the towel, and off comes the SG, just like any other easy to remove product.
Mikeman out.
Mikeman out.