Why all the negative attitudes toward KSG?

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I've read more than one post here about the difficulties involved with the application of SG. It seems to be a consistent theme at AUTOPIA, and 95% of the complaints about this product have come from posters that I respect a great deal (i.e., knowledgeable experienced detailers).



I'm a little confused about the acrimony toward this product, because I've had nothing but good experiences with it. I mostly use it as a WOWO product, although I've also let it dry for a few hours. Either way, it has been easy to use, and I get no streaks, clouding, or other problems. I just get a really nice shine.



I prefer the wetness and slickness of UPP and Carnuba based products seem to bead water a lot better. But, I find SG easy to use, and I really like the results.
 
I think much of it has to do with the amount of product used. It is tricky to get used to applying a product so thinly you can bearly see it is on. I put no more than a dime size drop ( when doing a roof or hood)on a dampened mf pad at a time. I usually do WOWO but sometimes let it sit overnight. Making several passes when buffing should ensure total removal of the product. I can easily understand the frustration with using the product even this way though.
 
Bill D said:
I think much of it has to do with the amount of product used. It is tricky to get used to applying a product so thinly you can bearly see it is on. I put no more than a dime size drop ( when doing a roof or hood)on a dampened mf pad at a time.
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That's the exact reason . I use it and love it . More isn't better ,thicker don't protect any more.
 
SG is less forgiving than other products if you accidentally apply too much. It also has a tendency to smear and leave streaking that can look like holograms. Still a great product once you learn to use it properly.
 
I've tried using it wowo and sit/wipe off, and both ways have always resulted in streaking. I've even tried a hybrid technique that combines the two techniques, where I first do wowo, and then wait an hour or until the next day to buff again. The rationale for this: wowo is similar to applying a super-thin layer. I let this super-thin layer dry and it is still hard to wipe off. I've even gone over the car using the PC with a MF bonnet, and still I've always gotten streaks and could never get it right without a lot of effort. When I do get it right though, it looks spectacular, and i like the look of SG by itself on black more than any other product. Love/hate for me. =/
 
I'm starting to wonder if some kinds of paint just get along better with SG than others. On my silver blue Acura TSX, I haven't had any problems whatsoever with streaks. In fact, I found SG as easy to use as 4* UPP.
 
I personally have done WOWO, sit for 1 hour, sit for 24 hours and havent had an issue with any of the three processes or any durability differences. Granted it can be a PITA to remove if you apply too much, but in my experience its not a case of walking a tightrope to get the right amont. Its not as forgiving as some other sealants, but its not like you need an eye-dropper to get a measured dose either.



Just my 2c......
 
TW85 HHI said:
SG is less forgiving than other products if you accidentally apply too much. It also has a tendency to smear and leave streaking that can look like holograms. Still a great product once you learn to use it properly.
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Yep, I usually ended up applying too much on some panel and then had problems removing. High humidity (at night in my garage) usually exacerbated this. I like the durability, the look was not as good as some, better than most. Also part of it is that I've just gotten spoiled by other products that are (for me) easier to use.
 
I too find it easy to use, but I use less than most people (far less than Bill D's "dime size drop for a hood" I would say).



I suspect that some paints might just not react well to this product, hence the streaking. And if somebody repeatedly finds a certain product tricky to use, I sure won't blame them for using something else.



But while I use it on some vehicles for the durability, I honestly don't like how it looks. I especially don't like it on Audi silver, just my personal preference. Compared to the other LSPs I use it just looks "blah". Side-by-side comparisons convinced me to just strip it off (all four layers) and redo with another product. Doesn't look all *that* bad on Mazda silver though...but it's still better with a wax topper.
 
Here are some pictures of Klasse AIO and SG on a black Eclipse I detailed this past September. I think this combination looks absolutely awesome on black! It has very sharp, crisp reflections with an excellent overall shine! :xyxthumbs



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Note: The wheels also had both AIO and SG applied to them. This is the best they have ever looked!
 
I agree that for appearance I like AIO and then straight to carnuba, particularly Souveran paste wax. This so far is my favorite on my black BMW, and durability is fine as I never let it sit more than 6 weeks.
 
AIO is one of the easiest products I've worked with. I believe some of my struggles with SG come from a tendency to apply products too thickly...I have so many other products that I have more success with so I really have never gone back to SG.
 
mtodde said:
AIO is one of the easiest products I've worked with. I believe some of my struggles with SG come from a tendency to apply products too thickly...I have so many other products that I have more success with so I really have never gone back to SG.
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Exactly! :xyxthumbs



Effort doesn't = Results
 
I have never seem to run into the same issues others seem to experience when applying/removing SG. I apply it thin with a dry terry or MF app, let it sit for an hour and remove with a damp MF then buff with a clean/dry MF. Nothing difficult, no streaiking, no haze. I'm satisfied with the look and love the durability I get with 2-3 coats, so I'll deal with the little extra effort it takes to cure.



It's also remarkable affordable. I wind up using about 1 oz per layer on my passat (even though the directions indicate you should use about 2oz). So with 3 coats every 4 months, the 16oz bottle lasts me over a year.



I'm actually running out of SG and need to replenish my supply. Any of you unsatisfied users want to sell or trade?



Michael
 
mpauly said:
I'm actually running out of SG and need to replenish my supply. Any of you unsatisfied users want to sell or trade?
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Ive 1 full bottle of it and 12 extra ounces of laying around here somewhere. LMK what you got i may be interested in a trade.
 
I'm with mpauly! I have been practicing on the rear spoiler on my black car to get the hang of it and I'm not having any problems with it. Anyone want to get rid of their supply of SG?
 
JM19 said:
Here are some pictures of Klasse AIO and SG on a black Eclipse I detailed this past September. I think this combination looks absolutely awesome on black! It has very sharp, crisp reflections with an excellent overall shine! :xyxthumbs



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Your car looks great, but the side shot shows what I personally don't like about SG on black, the silvery sheen when viewed at an angle. Of course, I still haven't found any sealants other than EX w/carnauba and Wolfgang that I really like on black anyway. I know others like the super sharp reflections but I prefer a liquid shimmer. As much as I really like the Shokar samples I have, it still doesn't quite do it for me on black.



BTW, don't take this as criticism of your car or the work you did, the paint looks flawless, it just isn't the look I am after on black.



I've never had any real problems with SG, and I like it on metallics, silver, pearls, etc but it isn't as user friendly as other products.
 
SpoiledMan said:
I'm with mpauly! I have been practicing on the rear spoiler on my black car to get the hang of it and I'm not having any problems with it. Anyone want to get rid of their supply of SG?
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I have a bottle w/about 14 oz left (I put on 3 layers once). Whaddya got to trade, I live in SoCal too.:)
 
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