Glossequation
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Accumulator said:
Then I see an M5 in your future. :xyxthumbs
Which would you Choose
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Then I see an M5 in your future. :xyxthumbs
Accumulator
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blackcaraddict said:
Nah, I'd rather have my S8. Only M5s I really like are the very first ones from, uhm..'88 IIRC.
If I were ever gonna have another BMW I'd go for an older 740i but I really do like the Audis better. Having a wonderful Audi dealer, in an area where the BMW techs are just *AWFUL* has a bit to do with it too.
thesacrifice
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XRL said:The Evo MR has got a lot more toys and offers a very nice DSG, sure it's a little slower but it's not a boy racer car in that trim. The STI offers a more practical body style though.
You said the price was close, did they show you the EVO GSR or MR? The MR is significantly more expensive than the GSR. I had thought the STI was a bit cheaper than either though.
FWIW, Top Gear picked the Evo X over the new STI
but the STI was faster around the track
Both cars will make you happy. The STI comes with a horrible stock tune (I have an 08) and a reflash really wakes it up. Bosts comes on sooner and it's at about 340 to the crank. A set of sways really sorts it out too, dials a lot of that terminal understeer out. Even stock its a potent little car that feels deceivingly civil when you're not pushing it.
The EVO is no doubt the better track car, but it doesnt have fold down seats and a really small trunk. Because of those two things it was never an option for me.
Anybody that can't respect either car is in denial.
Lancer Ralliart Sportback:
The answer to the new WRX and STI. You're probably thinking "he's nuts, it's only got 220hp". You're right, it does. But it also packs the same engine as the Evo with a smaller turbo and slightly different exhaust. It packs the same DSG transmission as the Evo X as well, and packs the AWD out of the Evo IX. It's also a wagon with fold down rear seats. So you swap the turbo out, do some more mods to support it and you've got a crazy fast wagon.
The answer to the new WRX and STI. You're probably thinking "he's nuts, it's only got 220hp". You're right, it does. But it also packs the same engine as the Evo with a smaller turbo and slightly different exhaust. It packs the same DSG transmission as the Evo X as well, and packs the AWD out of the Evo IX. It's also a wagon with fold down rear seats. So you swap the turbo out, do some more mods to support it and you've got a crazy fast wagon.
MasterBlaster
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I know it's an older thread, but thought I'd add. Did you ever decide?
I think this is the biggest part in deciding between the two. The Evo is much more mod friendly. For Subies even some simple bolt-ons require tuning, Evos you don't have to worry about. And if you don't live near a good tuner, it really limits what you can do with a Subaru. Mod wise you can obviously take care of the handling issues of the STi.
If you don't care at all about mods, then the only thing I think the STi has to offer is the hatch. Hauling stuff, like detailing gear, would be easier. Otherwise, stock for stock, I personally would pic the Evo (and that's coming from an '05 STi owner). I can't stand the dash of the new Imprezas, and the handling is bleh even compared to my '05. The new Evo is nicer inside, rides nicer than the old ones, but still handles like mad. Power wise, if you don't plan on modding, they're both really quick and you won't notice that much difference if you chose the Evo over the STi.
Really it may even be better to wait and see what Subaru decides to do with the 2010 STi's. When they updated the '09 WRX, they almost made it too close performance wise to the STi.
Darkstar752 said:
I think this is the biggest part in deciding between the two. The Evo is much more mod friendly. For Subies even some simple bolt-ons require tuning, Evos you don't have to worry about. And if you don't live near a good tuner, it really limits what you can do with a Subaru. Mod wise you can obviously take care of the handling issues of the STi.
If you don't care at all about mods, then the only thing I think the STi has to offer is the hatch. Hauling stuff, like detailing gear, would be easier. Otherwise, stock for stock, I personally would pic the Evo (and that's coming from an '05 STi owner). I can't stand the dash of the new Imprezas, and the handling is bleh even compared to my '05. The new Evo is nicer inside, rides nicer than the old ones, but still handles like mad. Power wise, if you don't plan on modding, they're both really quick and you won't notice that much difference if you chose the Evo over the STi.
Really it may even be better to wait and see what Subaru decides to do with the 2010 STi's. When they updated the '09 WRX, they almost made it too close performance wise to the STi.
thesacrifice
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MasterBlaster said:
You need to clarify this.
The new STI handles every bit as well as any previous STI and in fact slaloms faster. Now if you said the steering feels more vague and their is more body roll then, yes... true
PerroneFord
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I've had some fun cars. BMW, S2k, WRX.
Honestly, neither the STi nor the Evo do a lot for me. But I'm getting old. The Subie is nice, and will be the better highway car, but honestly, both feel "cheap" inside. This is understandable given that the majority of the budget was spent under the hood, and not on the inside.
If you want a nice daily driver, then the STi is probably your best bet. If you don't take long highway trips, or would take a rental, then the Evo is probably going to be where you want to go.
Those who talk about taking cars to the track in this kind of discussion are tilting at windmills. If you want a track car, buy one. Both of these cars have at least 2 seats too many for track cars.
The M3 is nice(er) but it's HEAVY. My old E30 was a lot more fun even though it was way down on power. People thought my S2K was a bad daily driver but I LOVED it. Just not much room. Now THAT is a fun track/Solo car.
Honestly, in your shoes, I'd probably buy a beater Civic hatch or something for hauling around detailing supplies (or even a wagon), and then buy something fun to drive. Trying to buy one car to do it all really asks too much.
You can get into a decent beater hatchback for $3k. Buy an S2K, Elise, RX7, or something else fun, and you've spent the same money, have a backup car, and will have a hell of a lot more fun.
If you NEED a highway car, then buy a BMW 330 or something. Way less cash than the M3, better ride, and cheaper insurance.
Just my thoughts from an aging motor head who's trying to figure out how to put a 400/400 engine into an AH Frogeye!
Honestly, neither the STi nor the Evo do a lot for me. But I'm getting old. The Subie is nice, and will be the better highway car, but honestly, both feel "cheap" inside. This is understandable given that the majority of the budget was spent under the hood, and not on the inside.
If you want a nice daily driver, then the STi is probably your best bet. If you don't take long highway trips, or would take a rental, then the Evo is probably going to be where you want to go.
Those who talk about taking cars to the track in this kind of discussion are tilting at windmills. If you want a track car, buy one. Both of these cars have at least 2 seats too many for track cars.
The M3 is nice(er) but it's HEAVY. My old E30 was a lot more fun even though it was way down on power. People thought my S2K was a bad daily driver but I LOVED it. Just not much room. Now THAT is a fun track/Solo car.
Honestly, in your shoes, I'd probably buy a beater Civic hatch or something for hauling around detailing supplies (or even a wagon), and then buy something fun to drive. Trying to buy one car to do it all really asks too much.
You can get into a decent beater hatchback for $3k. Buy an S2K, Elise, RX7, or something else fun, and you've spent the same money, have a backup car, and will have a hell of a lot more fun.
If you NEED a highway car, then buy a BMW 330 or something. Way less cash than the M3, better ride, and cheaper insurance.
Just my thoughts from an aging motor head who's trying to figure out how to put a 400/400 engine into an AH Frogeye!
imported_Luigi
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Realize OP posted a while ago, but I personally like the STi.
I have seen some Evo's around in Dartmouth, NS. A bunch of lancers around too. Also I have a 07 WRX so I am kinda partial to the subie. Plus I find their service at Dexter's Subaru great. Just don't let them wash your car, did it once without me knowing, now I just tell them before hand not to bother with the wash
I have seen some Evo's around in Dartmouth, NS. A bunch of lancers around too. Also I have a 07 WRX so I am kinda partial to the subie. Plus I find their service at Dexter's Subaru great. Just don't let them wash your car, did it once without me knowing, now I just tell them before hand not to bother with the wash
MasterBlaster
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thesacrifice said:
Yeah that's what I ment. I didn't mean it didn't handle great. To me it just didn't feel as "capable", even though it is. I'm sure a lot of that probably has to do with comfort, which is pretty much non-existent on the older cars. In my car I feel everything, in the new one I didn't.
VroooomCrash
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You could say the new STI does not handle great...it has terrible under steer.
imported_FJF
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BAKER said:
FWIW, I've had two Evos, the only non-German cars I've owned in ~30 years behind the wheel. Both cars were/are reliable to a fault - zero issues.