Which LSP is the most resistant to getting water spots?

I am pretty sure I have read on here that waxes generally do a better job than sealants do protecting paint from waterspots. However, at the moment I am using Werkstat Acrylic Jett and it seems to do a respectable job with water spots.
 
jfelbab said:
About the only product that I find that reduces beading and sheets water really well is NXT 2.0 followed by UQW weekly. Both are Hydrophobic. This keeps the paint uber-slick and for the most part water runs off quickly. Not 100%, but about the best I've used in the water sheeting regard.
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I agree and some of the Meg ultimate detailing spray in between washes, I would also use poli-seal works wonders on water beading
 
bcwang said:
I have an unfortunate situation where the sprinklers in front of all the parking spaces in my complex go off and hit the cars every single night with lots of overspray. I'm talking about covering the entire hood and some of the windshield. I plan on working to get rid of the water spots completely one of these days, but after that I need some way to best keep them off.



What LSP is the most resistant to getting water spots?

-Least likely to form water spots when sprinklers hit it

-Easy to wash off any water spots that do form

-Prevents really bad water spots from etching through to the paint

The interesting thing is most of the other cars in the parking lot don't have these spots. I think they have not the slightest trace of LSP on them and the water completely sheets and coats the panel until it evenly dries when the sun comes out. No sheeting power of any LSP I've seen can completely sheet water like an old uncared for paint finish! The sheeting is so good and even that when wet it looks like a deep glossy wet finish!
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I had that exact same thing happen at a townhouse I used to own. It lead me to try about every wax and sealant available at the time. It was this situation that really turned me off to Zaino, as hard water went through Zaino like the hot knife through butter. I've brought this up before and been spanked for it, but IMO Zaino is worthless when it comes to hard water protection. We have some of the hardest water in the US here, so maybe that's why Z falls down flat.



Unfortunately, when water evaporates, the minerals it was carrying remain on the surface it evaporated from, regardless if it has wax or sealant on it. So the water "spots" that are caused by the minerals will always be there. Some LSP's can help diminish the appearance of them, but they will still be there.



I still have one car parked outside all the time, so I'm still continuously testing lsp's for hard water/environmental protection. What is important to me is that the LSP doesn't allow the hard water to etch through it and into the clear coat, and also that the LSP is easily cleaned of water spots.



My favorite waxes for water protection are Collinite 476 and 845, Vintage, Meg's 16 (if you can find it),and the original Meg's Yellow Wax.



The best sealants are FK1 1000P and UPGP. Menz FMJ isn't too bad, but you have to apply it every week, and it will rot on your shelf if it isn't kept cool.



If your car is getting hit every day, I would highly recommend using 1000P, and applying it on completely bare paint. IPA prep the paint first. Then apply three coats of 1000P. After applying the first coat, apply the second and third *very gently*. Use straight line strokes with very little pressure (don't rub!), don't do circles, and don't go over the same area a second time. This will help insure that the solvents in the fresh 1000P don't weaken the previous application.



After your third coat of 1000P, you should be very well protected, but you could then put on a layer of Collinite 845 (I'd stay away from using 476 as a topper on 1000P) for extra protection.



I think you'll be happy with the results. :)
 
SuperBee364 said:
I had that exact same thing happen at a townhouse I used to own. It lead me to try about every wax and sealant available at the time. It was this situation that really turned me off to Zaino, as hard water went through Zaino like the hot knife through butter. I've brought this up before and been spanked for it, but IMO Zaino is worthless when it comes to hard water protection. We have some of the hardest water in the US here, so maybe that's why Z falls down flat.



Unfortunately, when water evaporates, the minerals it was carrying remain on the surface it evaporated from, regardless if it has wax or sealant on it. So the water "spots" that are caused by the minerals will always be there. Some LSP's can help diminish the appearance of them, but they will still be there.



I still have one car parked outside all the time, so I'm still continuously testing lsp's for hard water/environmental protection. What is important to me is that the LSP doesn't allow the hard water to etch through it and into the clear coat, and also that the LSP is easily cleaned of water spots.



My favorite waxes for water protection are Collinite 476 and 845, Vintage, Meg's 16 (if you can find it),and the original Meg's Yellow Wax.



The best sealants are FK1 1000P and UPGP. Menz FMJ isn't too bad, but you have to apply it every week, and it will rot on your shelf if it isn't kept cool.



If your car is getting hit every day, I would highly recommend using 1000P, and applying it on completely bare paint. IPA prep the paint first. Then apply three coats of 1000P. After applying the first coat, apply the second and third *very gently*. Use straight line strokes with very little pressure (don't rub!), don't do circles, and don't go over the same area a second time. This will help insure that the solvents in the fresh 1000P don't weaken the previous application.



After your third coat of 1000P, you should be very well protected, but you could then put on a layer of Collinite 845 (I'd stay away from using 476 as a topper on 1000P) for extra protection.



I think you'll be happy with the results. :)
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Or you could pay to have your garage expanded to hold both cars :) .
 
Macruz19 said:
I stated before a while back, no LSP can protect a car from getting water spots.. especially from water sprinklers or a quick rain shower. Once the water dries, and bakes from the sun... I'd say you'll have a little more work to do during a simple car wash.



My protection... park under the garage at home and work :)

Works for me :)
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Macruz, I'm honestly *not* saying this to be argumentative, or to pick a fight, but rather to just maybe help you out. :)



I firmly believe that the reason you say, "no LSP can protect a car from getting water spots.. especially from water sprinklers or a quick rain shower. Once the water dries, and bakes from the sun... I'd say you'll have a little more work to do during a simple car wash." is because you use Zaino. Now like I said, I'm really not trying to pick a fight, but *IME*, Zaino is a fantastic looking sealant that lasts a looooong time, but does not offer any appreciable environmental protection.



I've had at least one car parked outside (and a lot of the time in the path of sprinklers) for the last 25 years. I can honestly say that the products in my previous post are capable of repelling even our hardest water (hardest in the US), and the spots will come off with nothing more than a regular wash. In fact, if you wash it really soon after the water dries, a touchless wash will get rid of the spots.



Give an LSP with good environmental protection a chance, and you might change your thoughts about spots. Keep the Zaino for the next Car Show. :)
 
SuperBee364 said:
Macruz, I'm honestly *not* saying this to be argumentative, or to pick a fight, but rather to just maybe help you out. :)



I firmly believe that the reason you say, "no LSP can protect a car from getting water spots.. especially from water sprinklers or a quick rain shower. Once the water dries, and bakes from the sun... I'd say you'll have a little more work to do during a simple car wash." is because you use Zaino. Now like I said, I'm really not trying to pick a fight, but *IME*, Zaino is a fantastic looking sealant that lasts a looooong time, but does not offer any appreciable environmental protection.



I've had at least one car parked outside (and a lot of the time in the path of sprinklers) for the last 25 years. I can honestly say that the products in my previous post are capable of repelling even our hardest water (hardest in the US), and the spots will come off with nothing more than a regular wash. In fact, if you wash it really soon after the water dries, a touchless wash will get rid of the spots.



Give an LSP with good environmental protection a chance, and you might change your thoughts about spots. Keep the Zaino for the next Car Show. :)
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Oh no problem. I understand where you're coming from. I read most of your post in the past.



I did have water spots after shower before, and the water spots did not come off. So I had to clay, and use a polish to remove the water spots. Long story short.. I just try to wash the car ASAP after it rains, but the past year I've been slacking maintaining my TL, but overall it's still looking good. :bigups It's going to be 4 years old this August with 90k miles right now :)
 
i can tell your supernatural is NOT very water spot resistant, but i've had decent luck with both wolfgang paint sealant 3.0, jetseal109, and collinite 476s
 
Well, I washed the car on Friday. Did some polishing and applied a fesh coat of Zaino and a did a section with Collinite 845. I had to park the car for the weekend at a friends house and under a tree. The car ended up with pollen, waterspots and tree fallout. The Zaino sections and the 845 sections were indistinguishable.
 
Since my hood is going to be bombarded for sure, I took the weekend to apply a few products to test. I used my good parking spot to let the products have a chance to cure over the weekend without getting wet. I'll know soon which products work well against water spots and at the next wash, which products are easy to clean off those spots.



I wanted to try some recommended combos but I deemed I didn't have enough time to let each layer cure before I would have to remove the dividing strips and get the car exposed to elements. So only one layer, except for the ones that have multiple products listed which were layered right after removing previous one. Those combos were documented as being ok to be done this way for those particular products.



I started with a wash, vinegar, mothers step 1 pre-wax cleaner, wash, clay, vinegar, wash, IPA wipedown. Unfortunately that was not enough to get rid of all the existing spots, so it'll somewhat make it difficult to gauge what spots are new. However I can tell right now the hood is smooth and any new spots I should be able to feel.



combos under test

-UPPP + UPGP

-UPGP

-DGPS 3.0

-Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer + DGPS 3.0

-Fuzion

-Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer + Fuzion

-Mothers step3 Carnauba liquid

-Mothers Reflections advanced car wax

-FK215

-FK215 + FK2180

-FK2180

-FK2180 + FK1000p

-FK1000p

-476s

-UPP + 476s

-Dupont Ion
 
Interestingly, as I was driving through the mall parking lot today, at around 2pm in 104 degree weather, I saw a current model black Lexus ES, parked in the farthest spot and at the end of the row.....with sprinklers right next to it spraying away, completely covering the entire drivers side of the car with water.



When I drove by 30 minutes later, there was no more water anywhere, the car and ground were all dry. From a distance it was obvious that entire side of the car was completely covered in white spots, and when you saw the car from the front, it was a half black half white deal. I wonder how pissed the owner was after coming out to that mess.



Wow, who would have thought the mall would be running sprinklers in the middle of the day. Isn't that supposed to be a No-No? I am going to be extra careful now about parking next to plants or grass that could be watered at any time.
 
bcwang said:
Wow, who would have thought the mall would be running sprinklers in the middle of the day. Isn't that supposed to be a No-No? I am going to be extra careful now about parking next to plants or grass that could be watered at any time.
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Maybe their timer just got out of whack. Or maybe they are just trying to get you when you park IN YOUR "GOOD" PARKING SPACE :nana: :D All those sprinkler guys stick together, you know!



Actually I just noticed sprinklers in one of those islands that I was parking next to at Home Depot and I kind of marveled how they had run sprinkler lines 250' under the parking lot to get there.
 
Out of all the LSP's I have tried over the years, I would have to say that Bilt-Hamber Auto Balm has been the best for resisting water spots.



Although the beading is nothing spectacular, it protected my fiance's SUV unbelievable over this past winter. I noticed that the water just sheets off more than it beads on the surface, which I prefer.



The day after I applied AB to her vehicle it began to rain heavily when we were on our way to the mall. When we arrived at the mall, the water was all beaded up on the hood (more than any other car on the lot). When we were leaving the mall about 90 minutes later, I expected to see the water still beading on the hood. To my surprise, it was the only vehicle on the lot that was completely dry and it still looked perfect after being driven in the rain. It rained some more throughout the day and the AB really did a great job of resisting dirt and water spotting.



~Rick
 
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