Which combo......

jaobrien6 said:
I don't think your recipe for bad swirls looks right. First of all, AIO is mainly a chemical cleaner, so layering it doesn't do much good. It will most likely remove itself with each subsequent coat. The only rational for multiple coats that I know of is to ensure 100% coverage. Also, AIO has minimal to no abrasives (depending on who you talk to) so it won't help a signifcantly swirled car. It's definitely less abrasive than the #82.



how about this instead (if it's badly swirled):

wash

clay

#82 (start here in case the swirls are mild enough)

DACP (step up to DACP 'cause the 82 wouldn't cut it).

#82 (to remove any possible hazing, not always necessary if you work DACP long enough).

AIO (x2 to ensure complete converage if you want... no need for 3).

SG x 2 or 3 (1 coat per 24 hours)



I don't know about DACP :nixweiss. I mentioned it before but others said it's too abrasives so I don't know about that :nixweiss. Does #82 and AIO actually remove the swirls or just fill them?? I want a polish that removes not just fills.
 
#82 will remove swirls, but also has fillers. AIO won't do anything to remove the swirls. Step up to DACP only if necessary. As people have already said, it probably won't be necessary.



If you want filler-free polishes, I agree that the menzerna polishes are a probably good way to (although I've never used them). However, if you're going to follow up with AIO, fillers aren't that bad because the AIO will remove them. The only problem is you'll want to keep some IPA & water on hand to remove the fillers while you're polishing to check your progress.



My recommendation: Don't get locked into a plan until you actual see the condition of the car. It might be perfect, it might be mediocre, it might be awful. Something like DACP (or menzerna IP, for that matter) will probably be more abrasive than you need, but you don't know for sure until you see the finish. You still might not know, which is why several people have suggested that you start with the least abrasive polish first. If you go with the Menzerna twins, start with FP, if you don't think that's going to be sufficient after going over a small section at least once, if not twice, then step up to IP. Once you get it polished out, step back down to FP for the final shine.



Hope this helps,

John
 
Thanks people, so....



wash

clay during wash

wash

FP w/ LC orange pad

IP (if needed) w/ LC yellow pad

AIO

SG



Correct?? If the car is swriled badly then do I use IP on the part where it's needed??
 
C-MDX said:
Thanks people, so....



wash

clay during wash

wash

FP w/ LC orange pad

IP (if needed) w/ LC yellow pad

AIO

SG



Correct?? If the car is swriled badly then do I use IP on the part where it's needed??



100% .. just follow all instructions on the bottles carefully.
 
Wash

Clay

DACP with Meg's yellow pad

#9 or equivalent with Meg's yellow pad

Adam's Butterwax/Poorboys EX or equivalent

P21S



That's my process.



Works great!
 
My MDX has the exact color as this MDX shown here. It has AIO and SG so if I do everything right, it's going to be like this :bounce. Don't know which polish he used though.



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Such a case is not going to be solved by simply choosing combos. Perhaps SF/FP/MP is all it takes to perfect your finish. Maybe DACP/IP/PP won't even touch the swirls. There are so many variables... paint hardness, paint thickness, swirl severity, user skill, etc. that a combo can't address. Often, detailing is done by harmless trial and error, and the best decisions are made by the detailer while detailing, not by other people a week earlier.



The most I can do for you now is product choice. I would choose #6, but again, not necessarily that exact procedure.



Hope this helps...
 
If I really am going to use Klasse twins, which QD do you recommand?? On one thread people said Sonus is the best for SG but the price is a little expensive for me. I thought of FI too, it's cheap but it has alcohol so it may cause some damage to the surface. How about EO wet wipe n' shine?? It's cheap (less than $4!!) and it 18oz :D
 
Well, I believe that EO Wipe 'n Shine has silicone and petroleum distillates. Nevertheless, I think it would work well, provided that you wash before applying each new layer. At $3.99, give it a try and see if it works well.



If you plan to use a lot, then you might as well purchase a gallon of Final Inspection. Some people like Final Detail more (and it's cheaper), but IMO, it's not as a consistent quality of a product.
 
If I am buying EO wet wipe n' shine I'll get ~5 bottles (save shipping $) so I have to make sure it works well. The alcohol in FI wouldn't do that much damage right??
 
Personally, I wouldn't buy 5 bottles of anything until I've tried it myself. All the glowing reviews in the world can't guarantee that *you'll* like it. I think you should try it first. My $.02.



John
 
I never detail any cars so what makes a good QD?? They don't streak which is one but are there anymore things to look for in a QD??
 
My take on the 4 things most people look for in a QD are (in no particular order):



1. Whether or not it streaks (ease of application)

2. Slickness

3. Shine

4. Availability



I personally like FI, even though it doesn't leave as slick a surface as some others (like the FD that a lot of people here really like). Part of my preference is the fact that I can get FI locally, but have to order FD. One non-local product that I'd like to try is Clearkote's QuickShine. That's received some great reviews here, but I've never gotten around to ordering any.



You might end up very happy with the EO QD, however, you might not. My main point was that you might want to try it to see if you like working with it and you like the way it looks before commiting to 5 bottles of it. Unless you're QD'ing the car daily (or doing this professionally), you'll find that 5 bottles is quite a lot of QD.



John
 
1. Whether or not it streaks (ease of application)

2. Slickness

3. Shine

4. Availability



jaobrien6-availability is the one problem with Quikshine for most people (not me, I have a local distributer about 4-5 miles from me) but in the other three qualities, it ranks among the best.



C-MDX-like others have said, wait until you see your MDX before finalizing your products and steps. Based on what I've seen from most dealers assuming you don't let them do the dealer prep (as in waxing), clay, a swirl remover, glaze and wax/sealant are what you will need.
 
How about MOTHERS show time QD?? According to the review, DavidB seems to like it alot and it's also rank best besides Z6. Good thing is I can get it locally :)
 
I had problems with Mother's Show Time drying too quickly on warm days, limiting the size of the area I could work at one time. It does smell good though.



QDs are relatively cheap. Get a few, try them and stick with the one you like best.
 
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