Greg Nichols
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Jsilver, you have a PM as I've taken my questions offline.
Where to find Menzerna 3.02?
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Deep Gloss Auto Salon
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This is kind of huge news since there are a few that have actually purchased from over the pond (at a premium) with the belief that the domestic and import Menzernas are different.
So if I understand correctly, the same Menzerna polishes are available in both US and EU markets with the ONLY diffference being the part number? The recipe/fomulation of each are identical?
Pleasde advise.
So if I understand correctly, the same Menzerna polishes are available in both US and EU markets with the ONLY diffference being the part number? The recipe/fomulation of each are identical?
Pleasde advise.
From what I read now whole confusuion started with fact that naming of Menzerna line in States is partially but not completely identical to one in Germany. Now if the main Menzerna USA man states there is no difference and that they do carry everything then there is no difference and they do carry everything.
So if it will help clear up the confusion maybe we should pretend German naming scheme does not exist and focus on States product chart only.
Now, if jsilver could also help us figure out where Blackfire products stand in this big scheme of things and clarify AG's "Menzerna product chart / naming scheme" all pieces of the puzzle would fall in place.
jsilver, could you please lift our fog on this subject?
So if it will help clear up the confusion maybe we should pretend German naming scheme does not exist and focus on States product chart only.
Now, if jsilver could also help us figure out where Blackfire products stand in this big scheme of things and clarify AG's "Menzerna product chart / naming scheme" all pieces of the puzzle would fall in place.
jsilver, could you please lift our fog on this subject?
Now, here is the funny question: What about reports from members here where they say they have and have used both American SIP 3.01 and imported 3.02 and swear that 3.02 is running circles around SIP. From what I read it seems they have used same product in different packaging without knowing it. What happened?
BlueZero
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Wow! Interesting, very interesting.
It would be great if someone could make a chart of how this all fits together.
That would be great if they were the exact same formulas here as overseas.
It would be great if someone could make a chart of how this all fits together.
That would be great if they were the exact same formulas here as overseas.
Greg Nichols
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It would be a great help to all of us that love menzerna and those who should learn to love it, to have a no nonsense breakdown of what is what and comparatives.
It would be great to end this debate with some resoution. Menzerna USA please step in!!!
Cheers,
It would be great to end this debate with some resoution. Menzerna USA please step in!!!
Cheers,
SpoiledMan
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I'd wager that jsilver would be Jeff Silver. I'd say that he knows his stuff.
Greg Nichols
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I have it all straight now, and hope do all the others with the same bad info.
SpoiledMan said:I'd wager that jsilver would be Jeff Silver. I'd say that he knows his stuff.
Thank you for the kind words. Again, my intent in finally making a post online was to clear up some of the profound misconceptions that I have been reading about on this forum.
First, we will import any Menzerna product that is appropriate for the US market and has enough of a demand to warrant importation. We stock the full compliment of Menzerna product for many different polishing application, including for musical instruments, jewelry, metals, plastics, medical devices, optical, industrial finishing, wood coating, as well as the OEM assembly plant, Tier-1 and Tier-2 automotive suppliers, professional body shops, and automotive reconditioning. If there is a product from Menzerna that we do not stock, you probably don't need it!
Some have made note of differences between "European" and "American" versions of products. It is important to know that there are no differences between the same products (which should be self-evident anyway) regardless of where they are sold. If a forum member "tested" what he thought was "Super Intensive Polish" PO83/PO85RD3.02 from an overseas source and compared it to a US source and found a difference, then obviously something was wrong with his testing methodology.
Just a though on doing on-line research of manufacturers products and part numbers...
Don't get hung up on the small differences between versions of products that were specifically developed for industrial applications. In an assembly plant or large industrial polishing facility where thousands of units are being polished and cycle times are critical and different coating systems are being used, specific versions of a polish family will have noticeable results. In a reconditioning application at either a professional detailing business or an at home do-it-yourselfer, these minor version differences will not be apparent. This may make for some spirited forum discussions, but in reality you will never see a meaningful difference on the surface.
Menzerna will manufacture a polish system to meet the requirements of very critical OEM customers and coatings manufacturers, and we have brought these same products to the aftermarket. Unlike many other companies, we do not produce a secondary line for the aftermarket where profit margins and slick packaging take priority over performance.
On behalf of Menzerna, I apologize for allowing this confusion to go on for so long. I look forward to the opportunity to address your questions on the Menzerna line, and thank you the great support and comments you have made about our company.
Jeff Silver, MenzernaUSA
SpoiledMan
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jsilver6 said:
Anytime sir! You've been very helpful with product information in the past and a pleasure to talk to. :thx
DetailersDomain
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Having Jeff give his product knowledge on this board is priceless. :up
jsilver6 said:
Jeff, as we keep being told Blackfire products are based on Menzerna, but we are never explained completely are there any important differences between BF SRC FP and 106FF, much less how BF SRC Compund would fit in the line we can not make intelligent purchasing and use decisions.
Could you please help us clear this final piece of fog?
SpoiledMan
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ZoranC said:
Now there's a question I'm going to doubt he'd answer. I'm pretty sure there's going to be an NDA involved.
ZoranC said:
As I had indicated before, I will be glad to answer forum questions on Menzerna products. Again, I wish to provide answers and not to cross the rule of Autopia by acting in a sales capacity.
Our company manufactures compound and polish for sale under the Menzerna name, and to a select group of quality professional distributors for sale under their brand name. Most of these distributors wish to keep their source of supply proprietary, while others choose to identify the name of the manufacturer as part of their marketing strategy. When a company sells product under their private label brand name, we are not always privy to their product descriptions and labeled names. It has alway been our policy to ensure that no misrepresentations or false clains are made. The product capability should be able to stand on its own.
I can certainly help to describe any of the Menzerna products, their applications and correct usage. However once it becomes another company’s branded product, I do not keep track of their offering. The best way to get answers on a distributor’s branded product is to contact that particular distributor’s sales department. I wish I had a more detailed answer to give, however to answer the question I too would need to contact the distributor for this answer.
MikeWinLDS
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Speaking of Menzerna products, does anyone know where on this polish chart that lists the different cutting powers of products would Menzerna's Micro and Nano Polishes (PO106 and PO106FF) fall under?
Polish Chart
Polish Chart
MikeWinLDS said:
There is only one PO106FF product sold in North America, and we have called this product "NanoPolish." The designation PO106 is just a truncated part number and not a separate product that is being sold. Unfortunately due to a factory labeling issue, PO106FF was shipped here with the incorrect name of "MicroPolish." Please excuse the naming error, however the product was still correct as PO106FF.
There is a product that we call "MicroPolish" and for the part number guys out there, it is PO87MC. It is a very popular polish for finishing after compounding. There is a faster cutting version of this polish that we call PO85U "Final Polish." These two products, PO87MC and PO85U are NOT related to the newer formulations for scratch-resistant and conventional clears, PO85RD and PO106FF.
As to the question of where a product falls on a chart, this always causes us some frustration since two very different products can occupy the same chart level. Different products can have the same cutting action, but work differently on different type of coatings, or have different cutting speeds.
Nice to see that Menzerna USA can answer some questions for you guys. But why even change the names? Why not stick with PO106FF, PO85RD3.02 and etc? This must be the least confusing way.
They are doing the same way in Sweden, but thet leave the small note under the bottle so I can see what I am buying(german code).
They are doing the same way in Sweden, but thet leave the small note under the bottle so I can see what I am buying(german code).