Where does a glaze fit in?

integritydetail said:
I was wondering how you guys define a glaze and what purpose it should serve in a pro's arsenal. I've always thought of it as a cheater product that doesn't last. Maybe just for use on show cars? And if you guys do use them on clients cars, do you tell the customer how short lived they are? I've never used them at all, but I just wanted to see where they fit in for you guys who have.

Thanks
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A glaze is a product that is either oil, polymer, acrylic or glass based and is used to hide swirl marks and scratches that you either can't get out or don't bother to



Today's glazes are part of a system which when used properly will permanently fill imperfections.

In my arsenal, the glass based glazes are used by hand or orbital to fill in the swirls and scratches, provide a crystal clear glassy mirror finish with some wetness and then the final glaze is used as a sealant to lock in the fillers permanently and lock in the new found shine



This system is used when the painted finish is too thin to be abrasively polished or if the customer does not want full paint correction. It's a much faster way



Other glazes in my arsenal (prima amigo, blackfire GEP, ultra gloss, driven) are used to provide maximum wetness which is then topped with a polymer or acrylic sealant and a wax perhaps to stop the shine from being washed away or burnt off by the sun
 
MDRX8 said:
Glazes are to me under utilized. They are to me non abrasive gloss enhancers you use after a polish and before a wax or sealant. Meg. 3, 5, 7, 9, 81, and RMG are all good examples. PO85RD, RMG, and SOUVERAN make the wettest shine I have seen.
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I agree. When using Zaino, I don't use a glaze. Unless you consider Z-5 a glaze. When I am using strictly carnuaba, I usually polish the paint with Menzerna. Try to get most of the swirls and imperfections out. I glaze it with.. ready for this.. old school, 3M Imperial Machine Glaze. It makes blacks look so deep and wet. I have been topping it with One grand Blitz. This year I will try P21S.
 
A lot of polishes that are popular here don't have cleaners, Sonus, Menzerna and Optimum. ZPC, DACP and probably a few others have cleaning ability. Oil based glazes seem to work fine with old school carnaubas like 845. I'd use DWG under the more modern sealants.
 
bert31 said:
I generally think of all pure polishes having cleaning abilities whereas not all glazes have cleaning ability. Some do but not all I believe. I do not think Danase Wet Glaze has cleaning ability therefore, you can layer it like I do. I generally put DWG down, let it cure for about an hour then put Jeff's Werkstatt Acrylic Jett over the top of it. I have done this twice and the depth has increased noticably so that makes me thing the original layer of DWG is still there.
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Thanks, I have been reading about glazes all over the net and have com to the conclusion that DWG does for clearcoat what the old glazes did for single stage. It's a product, that after being advised here and reading about it ellsewhere, I really want to try! (especially on my wife's black Landcruiser; it's 10 years old and hard to keep as shiney as I like.



Thanks again everyone1:bigups
 
I have a black C6 Corvette and I have tried many products on it including Zaino, FMJ, Natty's, Carnauba Moose and Souveran. None of these products alone darkened the black the way RMG (glaze) did. Therefore, this is how a glaze fits into my arsenal. I apply RMG via PC. Then I wipe off the haze and lay down the Souveran. You'd be surprised how little Souveran you use when applying via PC. Here's the best part, about a month later, I apply another coat of RMG right over the Souveran as a refresher coat and voila, dripping wet again with no polishing. Then I'll slap on another coat of Souveran and I'm good to go for another month or so. Remember, this is a garage queen that never see's inclement weather so durability is not as important as looks. I keep my car looking awesome with foam gun washes (thanks accumulator) using DP Extreme Foam and I couldn't be happier with the results.



1. *RMG*

2. Souveran

3. Crystal Mist
 
Well, without rebuilding my supplies with new brands, are any formulas gonna play well with Optimum for a black Volvo (scheduled for tomorrow)?
 
MDRX8 said:
Glazes are to me under utilized. They are to me non abrasive gloss enhancers you use after a polish and before a wax or sealant. Meg. 3, 5, 7, 9, 81, and RMG are all good examples. PO85RD, RMG, and SOUVERAN make the wettest shine I have seen.
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I have access to 3M and Meg's Mirror Glaze line locally so I may try one of them first. Are any of the Meg's polymer or acrylic based so that when applied to a customer's car they will not fade quickly? And is my assumption that Poly and Acry WILL actually last accurate? And can they be topped with OS or is there too much residue? and ...how much time between glaze and OS application?



TIA,

Chris
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I wouldnt think that would be a terrific idea. OS, like most sealants of that nature prefer super clean surfaces.
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yeah, I found that out when I first started with the Optimum products: I thought I read that you could OS without a wipedown over PS (but it was OP followed by PS). Then I thought OS must be crap cause during the next wash I wasn't impressed. So I applied another coat and it was fantastic. So do you know what glaze CAN be topped with OS and what the cure time would be B4 applying the OS?
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I wouldnt think that would be a terrific idea. OS, like most sealants of that nature prefer super clean surfaces.
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If you are reffering to Opti Seal you can use it over anything. Here in London its beading and passing the squeek test over Pinnicle Souveran Wax @ 10 weeks. I have posted this many times.



I gave tried it over RMG and it seems to last. As the products of Opti Seal say, you can apply it over Nuba.



OS adds very little to the looks of products underneath it which means its an idea way to make your short lived beauty wax last longer.



Geoff
 
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