When yoy say panel?

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Changeling

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OK, It is a question I have been hating to ask sense it sounds so dumb, but I don't know for sure so hear go's!



When you guys say a "panel" , to me that means like, example: The left front quarter panel from seem to seam, the whole fender!

Some in this forum refer to a panel as a square they tape off to apply product such as polish, usually a 2X2 foot square!



There is a Hell of a lot of difference in size when you consider the two (2) different terminologies!

Is there an answer to this question are is it strictly relative to who is giving the instructions?

This is something that really needs clarifying, because I don't know and I'm not sure that some of the people that post realize the variances.:werd:

Changeling
 
good question...i've also wondered since a "panel" size can greatly vary from vehicle to vehicle. often people say "i use one pull/spray of product per panel" (w/ AW or Z6 for example)...but i always wondered the same thing. :)



not a dumb question at all...let's see what the responses are...
 
If ever I mention panel, what I am meaning is what you described - something like a hood, or a wing... I generally talk about "sections" or "work areas" when referring to the 2' x 2' area that you would work on at any one time. Guess this just comes down to the terminology any given detailer has been raised with though.
 
IMO a "PANEL" means BODY PANEL. As in whole fender, whole door, whole trunk, whole hood, whole rear quarter panel, etc. etc.



As stated above, if doing a 2 by 2 square, one would say a 2 by 2 section..
 
Whenever I say "panel", I'm referring to an entire vehicle panel.

One door equals one panel, one fender equals one panel, one hood is one large panel, but I just refer to the hood as the hood, not a panel.
 
White95Max said:
Whenever I say "panel", I'm referring to an entire vehicle panel.

One door equals one panel, one fender equals one panel, one hood is one large panel, but I just refer to the hood as the hood, not a panel.
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Ditto ! :buffing:
 
White95Max said:
Whenever I say "panel", I'm referring to an entire vehicle panel.

One door equals one panel, one fender equals one panel, one hood is one large panel, but I just refer to the hood as the hood, not a panel.
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Ditto. I would assume the people who do the small taped off sections would be for quoting customers or such. Seeing what process would work, and what the customers would be happy with.
 
Deviant said:
Ditto. I would assume the people who do the small taped off sections would be for quoting customers or such. Seeing what process would work, and what the customers would be happy with.
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Well I sincerely hope you guys see where I am coming from, it is a very confusing part of the process when different people say something without really explaining everything!

The panel question I feel is a very big question! If I'm told a dime size piece of product per panel, then I think like a "Whole" front finder on my Tacoma truck.

If the author of the explantion ment a panel as a 2x2 fot area we have a small problem!



If the author of the explanation ment "the whole panel, gap to gap" we have a very "Big" problem!

The guy assuming a 2x2 area, could be applying a product way under the application level he/she is to use! The other user would be using "X" times as much product and grinding it in with his "7424" till the recommended consisty of the product and then, you know the rest!! A "true" body panel that would have probably been fine with a coarse abrasive has distroyed the 2x2 foot area.



Not trying to beat a dead horse, but it is "VERY" important to think twice and write once!
 
I think we always mean a body panel (aka a whole door, etc.) when we say the product use/amount per panel.



A single working area is a totally different animal. Yes, there are polishes from which you need only 3-4 pea sized drops for an entire panel. An X or a circle is necessary for pad priming only. How could this be not evident enough?



No think twice ritual, just common sense - and it has to be natural. Of course, certain experience level can help.
 
It occurs to me that I'm guilty of this too. When I refer to a "panel" I mean something medium-sized, like the door of a normal vehicle (whatever *that* is :o ). Heh heh, yeah, the roof of a Suburban is a panel and there are similarly extreme examples of small ones...ah, the hazards of generalizing :o



But, generally speaking ;) issues like how much product to use per panel/given area will resolve themselves with a little experience. If you plan to work a small area and find you have more product than you need, just expand the area of operation or stop and blot some of the product off the pad with a towel; if you find you don't have *enough* product just stop and apply more.



As long as the pad/applicator has enough product on it to be properly lubricated, you shouldn't have any real problems, so I'd go for the least amount of product you can use while still uniformly priming the application media, and then plan on only working a small area. It's easy enough to add more and work your way up incrementally until you find the right amount for the size of area that you like to work.



Changeling- A dime-size amount of product....hm...not enough *polish* for the Tacoma fender unless the pad is already fully primed (say, from doing previous panels) in which case it'll depend on the product (it'll take more PI-III MG to do the fender). But it'd be *way* more KSG than you'd need to do the whole hood, at least the way I apply the stuff.



Oh, and in many cases having too much product means that (and this might sound contradictory but it's not) the excess product provides too much lubrication, resulting in not enough genuine correction taking place while at the same time resulting in excessive micromarring because the product never fully breaks down. That's referring to stuff like the PI-III RC 05933, the PI-III MG is too mild for micromarring to be much of an issue. With mild products they just never do all that much correction until you remove the excess product.
 
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